If you want a good modern .45 buy an H&K USP......




If you're big enough to carry one (and can afford one) you can get a Mk 23 SOCOM:

Hk Usp are Mk23 are expensive $400-$1000+ on a pistol. Though I admit these pistols are one of the best quality.

Originally Posted by M0rPh345

Hk Usp are Mk23 are expensive $400-$1000+ on a pistol. Though I admit these pistols are one of the best quality.

I would rather spend $1,000 on a good pistol that will last me a life time than buy several el cheapo South American Beretta-ripoffs for "a collection". One good big gun plus maybe a small easily concealed back up is all you need.

I like the hollow points in the first picture of the USP. Those .45 hollow points are also known as "flying ashtrays".

P-14 > 1911

Yes i know the para is canadian made and i dont care.

Now the Colt 1911A1 sucks period. THey are horrible out of the box. Springfields and Kimbers in my opinion are the best for your dollars' worth.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Now the Colt 1911A1 sucks period. THey are horrible out of the box. Springfields and Kimbers in my opinion are the best for your dollars' worth.

Have you shot One before, I have. Its actually a decent gun despite the fact that is 94 years old and the recoil action likes to bite you.

Yes, I own one. But I had to do a ton of work on it. After the 1970s, Colt got lazy on their work and produced some really crappy pistols. And if your gun is 94 years old, it's a 1911. Not a 1911-A1.

Doesn't matter how much a gun cost when your life is on the line so ill go with a usp or a mk23 socom.

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

The 1911 is just fine the way it is. Lets buy the Real American pistol not a cheap plastic ripoff copy. Do we need all these excessive feature off the kimber. I think we should buy them .45s from Colt. They made it and im sure they can make a better pistol than an inferior plastic copy.

You wanna talk plastic? Pickup a new Colt 1911A1 for the tune of about 900.00. It has a plastic trigger & a plastic main spring housing.Then before you trust your life to it better have that feed ramp polished and throated, ejection port lowered and flared, if you can't deal with hammer bite change out the hammer and install an extended beaver tail. If you want to hit anything with any degree of accuracy change out the sights, reliabilty change all your springs. Then you still paid 1500.00 for it. You can get top of the line Kimbers and Springfields for that that are out of the box ready.

As far as buy American.

Kimber- New York
Springfield - Illinios.