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December 10th, 2007   Post 1
rock45
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Post; Katyusha missiles


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For years, the border towns and kibbutzim in the upper Golan section of Israel, near Lebanon and Syria, have been under threat from Katyusha missiles. Cities just a few miles further south -- like Haifa and Tsfat, the crumbling, quiet mountaintop home of Jewish mysticism -- were safe; relying on short-range Katyusha rockets, Lebanese militants had the ability to sew terror only twelve miles into Israel. That changed on Thursday, when Hezbollah launched a new weapon, the Ra'ad rocket, which hit Tsfat and, for the first time, Haifa, 20 miles from the border. 220,000 Israelis stayed in bomb shelters last night to avoid the missiles, Ha'Aretz reports.
The exact make-up and configuration of these weapons is unclear. Some sources call it a modified anti-tank rocket; others a cruise missile. Range estimates vary from 120 to 350 kilometers, or more. One report calls it a 122mm projectile. Hezbollah claims the Iranian-made "rocket is of 333 mm in diameter and has a warhead of 100 kilograms."
Hezbollah's arsenal is likely filled with even deadlier weapons. Israel believes the terrorist group "has missiles that can hit most of Israel, and which could even strike Be'er Sheva [deep in Israel's southern, Negev desert] under optimum conditions," Ha'Aretz notes.
Iran supplied Hezbollah with solid-fuel, Zelzal-2 missiles with a 200-km range, but these are not very accurate, since they do not have a self-guidance system.
The Zelzal-2 missiles, intended to strike broad targets such as communities and cities, are equipped with explosive warheads weighing up to 600 kilograms...
Hezbollah's original Katyusha rockets had a range of 12 kilometers to 22 kilometers. At a later stage, it obtained Iranian Fajar-3 and Fajar-5 rockets, with a range of 45 kilometers and 75 kilometers, respectively. Hezbollah did not use these rockets until the current conflict.
I was supposed to spend my honeymoon next month lounging around Haifa, hiking in the Golan, maybe spending the sabbath in Tsfat. Now, these Hezbollah weapons have introduced a new calculus: how much fear is my wife willing to take?
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July 14, 2006 10:09 AM | Missiles | Discuss (47 comments)

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/cat_missiles.html


I saw this in this military blog and thought I would share. Judging from the size of this I would assume it would be difficult to stop. Being this small must be hard to spot as well.





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December 10th, 2007   Post 2
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Katyusha's are, according to my grandfather, who spend WWII in Eastern Poland, the most terrifying weapon in creation.
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December 11th, 2007   Post 3
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I wouldn't go to Israel unless it was important to me.

Is it worth it to you?
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December 11th, 2007   Post 4
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Post; Worth it


No not me you couldn't pay me to go there I didn't write it I just found the blog. In a military point of view that rocket would be difficult to defend against because of its size. Never saw one like that on a home made launcher like that. You could roll that out of a shed fire and drag in back in minutes and unless a UAV or other assets were overhead you'll never see it. I guess artillery spotting radar if setup in the right place and time could give you a area or a rough target. Once some sort of guidance system is put into these basic rockets where they can hit at least a selected area there going to be really dangerous. How to stop the flow to me is the first problem. Ships from Iran can dock at Syrian ports or aircraft like cargo aircraft etc can just fly in the weapons and then just drive it in. Correct me if I'm wrong but Syria location is the key its basically a hub of terror. Can't they be closed down?
 
April 7th, 2008   Post 5
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In 1994 I was a UN soldier in South Lebanon, and one of those landed just 40 meters from the gate of our base, where I was doing guard duty. Luckilly there was a small mound of dirt between me and the explosion.

You could hear them flying trough the air, it was when the sound stopped they where dangerous.

Wildly inaccurate as well. Nobody knew where they would be landing, and the Hezballah, that where firing them off, just pointed them in the general direction of Israel, and set them off. Often they set them up with a timer device at night, and the thing would fire sometime during the day.

Quite often the home made firing ramps took off WITH the rocket. And most never actually made it all the way across the border. The ones that nearly hit our camp that day, where probably set up the night before, and where intended for Israel, not us...

Interestingly, when we went to Israel on R&R, the border point would be full off American tourists, there to have a look at the war across the border...insane!
 
April 7th, 2008   Post 6
rock45
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Post; Bad situation


Such a bad situation with little end in site unless all third party outsiders leave. I have a guy who lives on my block who's from Lebanon he's been in the US for more twenty years and we talk every now then. He assured me that 90% of all the weapons and support comes from Iran and mainly through Syria. I don't understand why Syria gets a free ride they should be held accountable for half the bad things in Iraq as well.

When you were in Lebanon in 94 did you feel like your hands were tied? Or were you targets for both side?

The Hezballah could care less about the people of Lebanon they fire these rockets or set them up right near people on purpose. Israel fires back air strike or artillery's, from the location or near it and there the bad guys.

No easy answers
 
April 7th, 2008   Post 7
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Even with this generation of Fire Finders which can locate, send GPS location to a missile or artillery battery in mSeconds, the civilians are always a problem. Bad public opinion in a World that doesn`t grasp the nature of trying to defend a small nation surrounded by mortal enemies.
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April 7th, 2008   Post 8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rock45
Such a bad situation with little end in site unless all third party outsiders leave. I have a guy who lives on my block who's from Lebanon he's been in the US for more twenty years and we talk every now then. He assured me that 90% of all the weapons and support comes from Iran and mainly through Syria. I don't understand why Syria gets a free ride they should be held accountable for half the bad things in Iraq as well.

When you were in Lebanon in 94 did you feel like your hands were tied? Or were you targets for both side?

The Hezballah could care less about the people of Lebanon they fire these rockets or set them up right near people on purpose. Israel fires back air strike or artillery's, from the location or near it and there the bad guys.

No easy answers
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Despite frayed relations, Syria has its uses for the US Government in particularly for GWOT, many of the terrorism suspects that dont go to Gitmo are sent their for interrogation. Thats why they are tolerated.
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April 7th, 2008   Post 9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rock45

When you were in Lebanon in 94 did you feel like your hands were tied? Or were you targets for both side?

The Hezballah could care less about the people of Lebanon they fire these rockets or set them up right near people on purpose. Israel fires back air strike or artillery's, from the location or near it and there the bad guys.

No easy answers
We were more or less helpless. But our mission was first and foremost to observe, and not intervene. Well, we did night patrols and set up some ambush points for Hezballah in the Litani valley, and weapons smugglers from Syria up around what is today known as Chebaa farms. And we manned VCP's, and tailed IDF and their Lebanese allies when they came trough our AO. That was just about all we could do.

But I would say the parties more or less respected the Norwegian Batallion.

But yes, we were fired uppon by both parties. In '96 the year of Operation Grapes of Wrath and the Quanah massacre, when the IDF artillery fired directly into the Fiji Bat HQ, killing roughly 100 women and children who had sought refuge there, plus 3 Fijian soldiers...and our own incident, where a patrol was fired upon by an Israeli Merkava tank, using flechette grenades, wounding 3 of ours.

So being a "neutral" soldier was easy, we hated both sides...

But I have to stress, we where not there to inervene in the conflict itself... our wepons was purely for self defence...and heaviest gun we had was a few shoulder fired 84mm Recoiless cannons (the "Carl Gustav").

Anyway, 21 Norwegian soldiers lost their lives there from 1978 -to we pulled out in 1999 i believe it was...
 
April 8th, 2008   Post 10
rock45
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Post; Confused


ComsDown - Thanks for answering

Hi mmarsh
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mmarsh
Despite frayed relations, Syria has its uses for the US Government in particularly for GWOT, many of the terrorism suspects that dont go to Gitmo are sent their for interrogation. Thats why they are tolerated.
I'm sorry but what is GWOT?

The US sends terrorism suspects are sent to Syria? We trust them with interrogation, I never heard of such a thing in my life? I so totally confused by this "there friends" with Iran and weapon killing our soldiers past through there country? They could be holding former Iraqi weapons as far as we know? There support terrorism and help kill US Marines in Lebanon years ago. This is very up setting to me is a big way. Can you give a little more detail on this and is this public information? Thanks


Last edited by rock45; April 8th, 2008 at 13:40.
 



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