Originally Posted by rock45

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Hi mmarsh
I'm sorry but what is GWOT?

The US sends terrorism suspects are sent to Syria? We trust them with interrogation, I never heard of such a thing in my life? I so totally confused by this "there friends" with Iran and weapon killing our soldiers past through there country? They could be holding former Iraqi weapons as far as we know? There support terrorism and help kill US Marines in Lebanon years ago. This is very up setting to me is a big way. Can you give a little more detail on this and is this public information? Thanks

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GWOT= Global War on Terror

Have you heard of 'rendition'? Its the process of sending suspects to other countries who have less-than-gentle methods of interrogation.

Put it to you this way: Waterboarding is considered foreplay.

And yes, by the sheer madness of the world we live in, Syria is a place where US Terror suspects are dropped off. Syria wasnt always considered a hostile country. Both Bush I and Clinton naunced the Syrians, the Syrian Army fought side-by-side the US in the first Gulf War.

But W, the Neocons, and the Isreali lobby, in one of their moments foreign policy 'enlightenment' changed their Middle East policy from listening to both sides of the Arab-Isreali conflict to that of "Israel Uber Alles". Which of course pissed off the Syrians something fierce as they felt they had been betrayed. So the Syrians helping Hezbollah isnt at all surprisng.

The most notorious case of someonebeing sent to Syria is Mahar Arar. Its was pretty shocking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

Hi mmarsh
Not exactly a clear cut example this case I guess the US held him for a reason or at least one would think so. Doesn't sound like we sent him to Syria with a note tied to him please tortured me. If he was part of those groups he wouldn't tortured for that now one he? Most likely left Syria illegally or maybe the Syrians thought he was a spy? Something here doesn't sound right and remeber getting all those countries as you mention to fight on on side was part a show to to gain suuport for the war not because we needed them. Many American and I'm sure US Marines look down at Syrian government.

changed their Middle East policy from listening to both sides of the Arab-Isreali conflict to that of "Israel Uber Alles". Which of course pissed off the Syrians something fierce as they felt they had been betrayed. So the Syrians helping Hezbollah isnt at all surprisng.

I don't believe the above they played both sides and harbor killers and I think were stupid for dealing with them in any manor period. Americans have been killed by this group and other directly because of Syria's support. Syria has messed up Lebanon for years and that region and to me are so much a part the problem. On my list for Global War on Terror I rate them only behind Iran and above Pakistan.

99% of these missiles fired into Israel fall into open ground, if you are worried about going to Israel becuase of these missiles then it's about time you built a bunker at home and hunkered down for the rest of your life. Have you ever heard of an American being killed by one of these missiles in Israel.

Originally Posted by rock45

Hi mmarsh
Not exactly a clear cut example this case I guess the US held him for a reason or at least one would think so. Doesn't sound like we sent him to Syria with a note tied to him please tortured me. If he was part of those groups he wouldn't tortured for that now one he? Most likely left Syria illegally or maybe the Syrians thought he was a spy? Something here doesn't sound right and remeber getting all those countries as you mention to fight on on side was part a show to to gain suuport for the war not because we needed them. Many American and I'm sure US Marines look down at Syrian government.

I don't believe the above they played both sides and harbor killers and I think were stupid for dealing with them in any manor period. Americans have been killed by this group and other directly because of Syria's support. Syria has messed up Lebanon for years and that region and to me are so much a part the problem. On my list for Global War on Terror I rate them only behind Iran and above Pakistan.

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He wasn't coming from Syria, he was coming back from a vacation in Tunisia. He was only in New York to catch a connecting flight to Vancouver. While he was born in Syria, his family immigrated to Canada when he was 17. So there is no way he could have been identified as a intelligence officier. The reason he got picked up was because the Canadians confused him with another Mahar Arar (its a very Arabic common name like John Smith), which later turned out to be an fake alias of the real terrorist they were looking for. A fews days later, the Canadians recontacted the State Department to acknowledge they might have been mistaken about this guy But the State Department was so convinced that they had caught a known al-Qaeda member refused to release him or to double-check to see if they had the right guy. It was the Syrians themselves (after torturing this guy for 9 months) who told the State Department they didn't think he was a terrorist. If you think the government couldnt screw up that badly, then remember this is the same State Department whose first names on the no-fly list were all 17 9-11 hijackers -after the attacks.

I'm sure it's possible for the government to mess up. mmarch this is one case you kind of made it sound that it's a normal thing for the US to send Syria a terrorists supporting government other suspected terrorist. Can you provide a link to any official US policy stating the US sends suspected terrorist for torturing to Syria? This sounds like they grab a 17 kid with the same name of a known terrorist and made a huge mistake. This doesn't explain why Syria gets a free ride when it comes to GWOT issues right?

LeEnfield
99% of these missiles fired into Israel fall into open ground, if you are worried about going to Israel becuase of these missiles then it's about time you built a bunker at home and hunkered down for the rest of your life. Have you ever heard of an American being killed by one of these missiles in Israel.

I have no reason to go to Israel nor would I want to hunkered down in a bunker for the rest of my life, that's not what I was trying to say. Americans being hit or killed by these rockets no. But by bombers in Israel that Syria let slip threw there country and who they directly support and equipped yes. It would do that region a favor if a wall was built cutting Syria off from Lebanon.

Originally Posted by The Other Guy

Katyusha's are, according to my grandfather, who spend WWII in Eastern Poland, the most terrifying weapon in creation.

If used as designed - dozens or even hundreds of rockets in a small cut of time hitting aerial target and destroying anything within it, if not covered in proper shelters.

However, various mujahedeens used those rockets in `semi` firing regime, targeting individual rockets on invaders/peacekeepers garrisons or near countries. Such weapons were used also in Afghanistan 1979-1989 and nowadays, in Iraq and Lebanon, mostly in `single-shot` mode... use of them `as designed` (MRLS) still remains advantage of regular army, not insurgents.

Right Supostat, or as a buddy of mine told.

The Hezballah used to sneak into a village close to the border, find a suitable length of drainpipe or whatever, place the rocket inside, point it roughly towards the Israeli border and ignite it by primitive means.

Needless to say the guys could achieve severe burns, and the rocket usually went down in some field on the other side.

But it was more than enough to call for an israeli air strike or artillery bombardment on the spot where it was launched, and that kept the fury against the Israelis warm in that village...

Now aren't the rockets and parts used to make them come from and through Syria? I'm sure it's more difficult then the way I'm going to describe it but wouldn't a UN peace force be almost more useful going through and searching everything that passes through from Syria?

84RFK- good point it's always going to warm in villages for the Israli's if these outsiders mainly can just operate inside Lebanon. Imagine if a portion of these rockets did hit crowed areas? Israel would have to strike back and it just goes on and on. The kids I saw on the news growing up throwing rocks at the Israeli soldiers now there kids are doing the same thing? Wouldn't you think after a while your following the wrong people or listening to the wrong group? I just know third party people mess things up.

The practice of using "dumb" rockets against an enemy is as old as gunpowder. The Chinese fired them into the Mongol hordes which was an easy target. Our own Hydra-70 has been an extremely effective, and cheap but not very accurate, helicopter armament. At least a helicopter could aim a barrage by LOS and minimize collateral damage.