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May 27th, 2006   Post 11
sandy
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I mean best as best seller gun
 
May 27th, 2006   Post 12
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Ok, that's more understandable.
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May 27th, 2006   Post 13
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I think you've got to give credit where credit is due.

The AK-47 is cheap, its powerful, its easy to maintain, its extremely reliable. Its only real drawback is its accuracy at long range. But then again most groups that use it are not exactly the worlds greatest marksmen. Its generally used as a 'spray and pray' weapon.
 
May 27th, 2006   Post 14
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I don't consider 150M long range, but hey, maybe that's just me.
 
May 27th, 2006   Post 15
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The AK was a break threw. You can't destroy it! drag it in sand, dirt, mud or whatever and you can still use it. Try that with a M-16! It has powerful rounds which give it some nasty recoil which is the sole drawback. The AK is two things:

1. High in demand
2. High in supply

This is why it is the most used assault rifle in the world.
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May 27th, 2006   Post 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy-8
The AK was a break threw. You can't destroy it! drag it in sand, dirt, mud or whatever and you can still use it.
Yeah, you can destroy it.

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It has powerful rounds which give it some nasty recoil which is the sole drawback
It has a lot more drawbacks than just recoil. lol

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The AK is two things:

1. High in demand
2. High in supply

This is why it is the most used assault rifle in the world.
Biggest reasons? Plenty to go around and cheap.

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Originally Posted by Mmarsh
I saw a report on CNN that said that shortly after the invasion, there was a shortage of M-16/M4 espically amongst 2nd line troops (non infantry roles) who were being used in foot patrols. Some guys on patrol had nothing but their M9 Service pistol. So certain people were given AK's as there was nothing else. But that was back in 2003, I havent heard of anything similar since then, certainly not of US troops trading their M4 for a AK-47.
It had nothing to do with a shortage of M16s. No one was outside of the wire on patrol without an M4/M16, except for the occasional officer. The report you are probably refering to has to do with the Mech units that had been issued the longer M16s but started using the AK47s because there weren't enough available M4s.

All CS/CSS have issued M16s or M4s, from cooks to supply guys.
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May 28th, 2006   Post 17
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The thing with "US" units using AKs ... he must have mistaken pictures of footage of eastern european troops that were in Iraq who were outfitted with American gear like the Humvee and American style helmets but were using AK-74s and the such for the service weapons.
Occasionally you come across pictures of the Slovenes who usually fit this description. I don't know if they went to Iraq, but the Slovenians did have a presence in Afghanistan.
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May 28th, 2006   Post 18
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I've actually seen video of a US soldier firing an AK-47 in Iraq...of course that doesn't mean he actually used it in combat.

Vietnam vets I've talked to have used everything from Bren guns, to RPGs, to an old PPSh and beyond. Were they better than US hardware? Not necessarily, but they were available in the moment when they were needed.
 
May 28th, 2006   Post 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy-8
The AK was a break threw. You can't destroy it! drag it in sand, dirt, mud or whatever and you can still use it. Try that with a M-16! It has powerful rounds which give it some nasty recoil which is the sole drawback. The AK is two things:

1. High in demand
2. High in supply

This is why it is the most used assault rifle in the world.
7.62x39 does NOT have nasty recoil... It is just a little bit more powerful than 5.56, but still a long way behind 7.62 NATO...
 
May 28th, 2006   Post 20
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Perhaps PJ he did mean "break" "threw" as in it broke and rather than fix it they threw it away and picked up another one.