Humans have very little to no impact on global climate change. Our earth is 4.6 billion years old. It started out as one big fire ball with a tremendous amount of volcanic activity. Since its creation, the earth's core has been cooling and will continue to cool until its demise.

The earth has gone through some extreme changes. Just like the universe, the earth is a dynamic system. Not static. It is constantly changing. Our earth has gone from global tropical temperatures, like that of the Jurassic period, to the frigid ice age temperatures of the Pleistocene period.

During parts of the Cryogenian period (790 to 630 million years ago), the Earth experienced what is known as "Snowball Earth." Within a 160 million year period the Earth was entirely covered by ice and melted all by its lonesome self.

The last major Ice Age was about 15,000 years ago. The polar ice caps covered a large part of the earth leaving a narrow band around the equator. Around 10,000 years ago, both ice caps receded back to what they are today.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant, it is a nutrient. CO2 is one of the many elements that our earth's ecosystem needs to sustain life. CO2 is what animals and humans exhale and what plants need for photosynthesis. Five hundred million years ago CO2 was 20 times more prevalent than today, decreasing to 4-5 times during the Jurassic period and then maintained a slow decline. Compared to previous geological time periods the earth today is actually CO2 impoverished. 6 Billion ton of CO2 are man made each year. 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in the world's oceans. 90 billion tons come from volcanoes and decomposing terrestrial based life. Man made CO2 only contributes about 3.2% of the total CO2 discharge.

To believe that humans have enough impact on the environment to cause the climate to change is both very irresponsible and dangerous. What do I mean by this? I mean we must not relinquish our freedoms and liberties to some government entity wanting to raise taxes, raise fees, regulate and control every aspect of our lives in the name of saving humanity. The environmentalist and far left are using Global Warming as a means to push there socialist agenda upon the populace.

They also forget to mention another of those deadly greenhouse gasses that are so heinous, water vapor! In the 80's, Mt Pinatubo in the Philippines erupted and in a few days, it dumped more CO2 into our atmosphere than in the entire human industrial age to to date. Somehow, the environment managed to survive this "catastrophe".

There is absolutely no basis in scientific fact for the assertions of the watermelons that global warming (if any) has been induced by human activities. One would think that if the scientific facts were so overwhelmingly on their side, they wouldn't have any problem with honest scrutiny of their data, assumptions made based on that data, or honest open examination of evidence that is contrary to their conclusions. In reality, they invariably attack the bearer of this information rather than the evidence itself. People have lost their jobs and had their careers ruined for doing nothing more than applying legitimate scientific logic and scrutiny to the assertions of fanatics. They love to make the assertion that "The consensus of scientists agree that there is in fact global warming and it is undeniably man-made." The reality is that most of the scientists that they refer to are not people trained and educated in any science even vaguely related to climatology. Many are even social scientists! While their is some evidence of warming trends in the last 20-30 years, making the leap that it is human induced is nothing less than fantastically delusional, or more likely, intentional misinformation.

As I stated, the environmental movement is nothing more than a vehicle to impose more and more governmental control. It is nothing more than yet another page out of the liberal playbook. Time and time again they have lost at the ballot box because normal (clear thinking) people naturally reject their brand of stupidity. They have to hide their agenda and true feelings in order to get elected to public office in much of this country. They try to get their legislation through congress but when that doesn't work, they have no problem bypassing the democratic system to impose their lunacy on us by getting liberal judges to create law by fiat. The real problems of this country are almost wholly created and magnified by liberalism. It is nothing less than a cancer and it must be attacked without mercy wherever it is found.

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations via an enhanced greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science,[4] including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.[5][6][7] While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with some findings of the IPCC,[8] the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC's main conclusions."

"Human activity since the industrial revolution has increased the concentration of various greenhouse gases, leading to increased radiative forcing from CO2, methane, tropospheric ozone, CFCs and nitrous oxide. Molecule for molecule, methane is a more effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but its concentration is much smaller so that its total radiative forcing is only about a fourth of that from carbon dioxide. Some other naturally occurring gases contribute small fractions of the greenhouse effect; one of these, nitrous oxide (N2O), is increasing in concentration owing to human activity such as agriculture. The atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4 have increased by 31% and 149% respectively since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the mid-1700s. These levels are considerably higher than at any time during the last 650,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores.[29] From less direct geological evidence it is believed that CO2 values this high were last attained 20 million years ago.[30] Fossil fuel burning has produced approximately three-quarters of the increase in CO2 from human activity over the past 20 years. Most of the rest is due to land-use change, in particular deforestation.[31]"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming


Conclusion - Your above post has a lot of wrong information. You can read the whole wiki if you like, there are lots of good pieces of evidence, as well as the sources for them. I just picked out 2 good paragraphs. as I said in the other thread:

As for your conclusions on "Globull Warmening", until you have a degree from some credible institution in something at all scientific, you can expect me to take your opinion with a MASSIVE grain of salt. I'm talking the largest grain of salt you can ever imagine.

So in less words, your point is the Earth has heated and cooled a bunch of different times before us humans can along and will continue to heat and cool regardless of our actions?

I had to break it down for those members who don't like to read long posts

Originally Posted by Doody

So in less words, your point is the Earth has heated and cooled a bunch of different times before us humans can along and will continue to heat and cool regardless of our actions?

I had to break it down for those members who don't like to read long posts

Thats not what I got out of it. He was claiming that there is no scientific evidence that humans caused any heating or cooling of our planet. Obviously our planet is going to cool and heat regardless of what we do. The issue lies in the degree to which it heats and cools, and our impact on this degree.

i personally think that we can't make any major difference. not even a minor difference. i think that it's just part of a cycle of events that constantly goes round and round.

Here's what I've taken from your article: If I plan on heading to a low-lying area, I better take swim trunks...

Originally Posted by Insomniac

i personally think that we can't make any major difference. not even a minor difference. i think that it's just part of a cycle of events that constantly goes round and round.

Exactly... what we has a group do it so small it's trivial. It's like me pouring a glass of water into the Ocean. I'm all for the environment. If the woods and animals go away then I have to place to hunt/fish/camp.

The Earth has cooled and heated long before we came and it will do it long after we go. The Sun goes through cycles also and heats and cools. Hell, the Polar Ice Caps on Mars are melting..... Do we have any effect on that?

If Al Gore can use excessive energy for his home, just how serious does he (or expect us to) really take the nonsense he tries to sling at us?

To quote MontyB...

Originally Posted by MontyB

Well if environmental concern is such a joke I heard there is some cheap land around Chernobyl available for immediate settlement, interested?

The bottom line is that we ARE a part of this planet, and we can have devastating effects on it. For example, if we cut down every tree on earth we could drastically increase the amounths of carbon dioxide while lowering the amounts of oxygen. If we killed every bird there would be an enormous upswing in insect population.

We're not just in the theater, we're in the movie.

Fortunately, I haven't seen any orders for mass tree cutting. Although, I have seen some requests in the past submitted for tree hugger cutting. They were denied.