I have the solution, you and folks like you walk, don't use any electric or any other type of energy. Their ya go, problem solved.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Not true from the data presented the patterns are easily determined (I would rate it as a very good example of a noticeable change graph on multiple axis) not only is the amplitude decreasing but the wavelength is increasing and the whole pattern is creating and upward trend, you have produced an excellent bit of evidence that global warming exists however we all knew that because it is a natural phenomenon.

The funny thing is that you have also managed to link it to the industrial revolution which could lead to claims that man is influencing it, however that would be speculation.

Funny thing??? how so,the whole point being that the upward trend was in place before the Industrial revolution, and has not increased. That in no way links it's cause to the IR. If there is a relationship, it only proves that there is no part played by the IR. As you point out it appears that the cycles are becoming longer and of less amplitude indicating a lessening in extreme changes.

Originally Posted by AikiRooster

I have the solution, you and folks like you walk, don't use any electric or any other type of energy. Their ya go, problem solved.

The day I see proof beyond doubt, I'll start espousing it too, until then I'll sit firmly on the fence.

Wasn't for you Seno but ok.

Originally Posted by AikiRooster

Wasn't for you Seno but ok.

I fully realised that, but I thought that I'd state my position anyway.

Good stuff guys, I have enjoyed the reading.

I understand that whilst we can make efforts to save ourselves, we can do nothing to save the planet, which takes care of itself, because we are simply irrelevant in that respect. Changes in the environment of the planet are adjusted accordingly without reference to us.

However, perhaps attempting to save ourselves is a worthwhile consideration, although even this may be well beyond us. In any case, only continual progress will count, and trying to mark time or march backwards will not suffice. I have to reiterate that necessity being the mother of invention is the real deal, as it always has been.

Currently we are being pushed to discard the dependence upon oil - so be it; don't simply try to stem the tide, bring on the prototypes in all fields; that should be the race.

10-4 Seno, Thank you.

I like that Del Boy. Good stuff.

Here you are. You see, just as I told you - planets take care of themselves. Global warming? He he.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1035440/Incredible-pictures-Mars--look-surprisingly-like-parts-Earth.html

Originally Posted by senojekips

Funny thing??? how so,the whole point being that the upward trend was in place before the Industrial revolution, and has not increased. That in no way links it's cause to the IR. If there is a relationship, it only proves that there is no part played by the IR. As you point out it appears that the cycles are becoming longer and of less amplitude indicating a lessening in extreme changes.

You got any thing in that data that proves this theory of yours?

There are two completely different wave patterns with the change point being noticeable and spot on the period when the I.R is acknowledged to have started. Unless these patterns are repeatable through history (which the graph doesn't show us) you have to look at the points of change and investigate why.

This doesn't require a knowledge of science, math, climatology or in fact anything more than an inquiring mind and the ability look at data impartially.

Do you ever monitor your gas millage or learn the vehicle you drive so that you know when something changes (sudden increase in fuel usage, rpm surges, occasional misfires) if so when something like this happens do just pass it off as natural aging or ignore it because you cant remember whether it was like that 5 years ago or not or do you pop the hood and see if it is going to be a problem or not?


You guys really scare me not because you might be right (hell if you are right great we have no problems) but because you have no interest in finding out for yourselves whether you are right or not.

Originally Posted by AikiRooster

I have the solution, you and folks like you walk, don't use any electric or any other type of energy. Their ya go, problem solved.

Sadly forum rules prevent me responding this nonsense in an appropriate way so I wont but can I ask what the point to this post was other than padding your post count?

No, for myself I do not ignore the situation, but it is such a massive one that I await more positive agreement across a broader field that I can then put under the microscope. I try to avoid bandwagons and knee-jerk reactions, particularly those led by the imposition of even more Empire building.

But I do not have any great argument with the views of others on this thread.