http://www.realclimate.org/

This is a good place to start for those people writng the ignorant rubbish on this thread.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...05/start-here/

Pick your starting point. Those with only high school education (or lower), start at an easy level.

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/

Crickey, I think some of this stuff is away above some of you guys, but give it a go anyway. Remember, climate change is complicated. Doing nothing is not an option anymore!!!

Right, because a website told you.
Like I said, I'm not on board with the whole global warming issue but I do things that help the environment in general. So I don't see what the big fuss is about. And why is there nothing on the sun's activities even though that's probably the single most important determinant in the earth's temperature?

Originally Posted by errol

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/

Crickey, I think some of this stuff is away above some of you guys, but give it a go anyway.

So you are trying to tell us uneducated clods that you understand the material you have quoted better than "some of us guys"?? Yep, that's the first move of any con job, try to talk over people's heads, it will make them think that you are highly educated and therefore infallible. Yeah,... I've been there and seen that, got the cauliflower ears to prove it.

Did you notice that many of the articles you so willingly quote, referred to "global warming". This misconception has already been largely replaced by the adoption of the term "Climate change" as the eggheads have actually started to wake up to the fact that, it is not so much "warming", as extremes of weather, in both directions. Yep,.. even they are slowly admitting that they haven't got it quite right just yet. (Well,... they are not exactly admitting it, but it is being leaked to the public slowly to avoid having to wipe too much egg off too many faces). Whatever you do though, do not tell anyone this, as it will put the rot into the foundations so many preconceived ideas that people have come to love and believe.

So Errol, your judgement of "us guys" or "them guys" may be somewhat premature. Plus you also seem to have missed the point that this debate is about the part that man's actions may have played in this whole process, not as to whether Global warming/Climate change is actually happening.

Errol

Welcome to the madhouse
Sorry mate wrong approach, not sure if any other will work though.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Right, because a website told you.

It sure works for a lot of people around here... posting chain e-mails as "news."

Originally Posted by errol

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/

Crickey, I think some of this stuff is away above some of you guys, but give it a go anyway. Remember, climate change is complicated. Doing nothing is not an option anymore!!!

Yes horrendously complex. We have stable temperatures for thousands of years then bang just as the population explodes and release things that we know absorb heat the atmospheres temperature erupts......




Of course these temperatures are all wrong anyway, no-one had thermometers that long ago, and we don't trust tree rings and ice cores and they don't show exactly the same figure anyway, and look they don't go up at the same time, and just for good measure where is that other temperature chart of that warm place in the Medieval period, and 3 million years ago it was warmer still, (that should cause enough confusion). So it must be the sun or volcanoes, or those funny ray things from outer space, and and I'ts a bloody cold summer here, so there, it can't be humans because no-one is going to stop me driving my SUV. There disproved it! ...... Phew!

Originally Posted by perseus

Yes horrendously complex. We have stable temperatures for thousands of years then bang just as the population explodes and release things that we know absorb heat the atmospheres temperature erupts......

Yep,... that's gotta be proof enough for me,...

Stable for thousands of years eh? What's that Mini Ice age on your diagram there??... And that only goes back a single thousand years, selective science at it's best again eh? The climate has never been stable not day to day, year to year nor for any other period. What was it that man was doing to cause the mini Ice age?

It seems you very conveniently missed the point,... again, that no one here has said we should not be doing anything about climate change. So convenient,... so absolutely typical.

Originally Posted by perseus

Yes horrendously complex. We have stable temperatures for thousands of years then bang just as the population explodes and release things that we know absorb heat the atmospheres temperature erupts......

Of course these temperatures are all wrong anyway, no-one had thermometers that long ago, and we don't trust tree rings and ice cores and they don't show exactly the same figure anyway, and look they don't go up at the same time, and just for good measure where is that other temperature chart of that warm place in the Medieval period, and 3 million years ago it was warmer still, (that should cause enough confusion). So it must be the sun or volcanoes, or those funny ray things from outer space, and and I'ts a bloody cold summer here, so there, it can't be humans because no-one is going to stop me driving my SUV. There disproved it! ...... Phew!

On its own that graph is pretty scary however this is not the first time we have reached these temperatures:



We have reached these points four times in the past and this current peak is not any higher nor is it out sequence in terms of the repetition cycle so how can we attribute a large proportion of the problem to mans industrialisation when we see the same trend pre-industrial revolution?

Until this current trend has reached its conclusion we really cannot assign the cause to industrialisation, if the trend continues and we set new temperature records then sure I am prepared to accept the difference as mans interference (industrialisation, over population etc) but until this cycle ends we just done know.