(note to self: remain calm, saying your mind will get you banned...)

Gimme a scientist behind this. Some sort of source. And I don't mean letsgobuyhummers.com

Originally Posted by AikiRooster

Fortunately, I haven't seen any orders for mass tree cutting.

Really? You should see the rainforest deforestation. Its hundreds of thousands of trees getting cut down.

For many years the egg heads were pointing to the hole in the ozone layer as an example of what man made pollutants were doing to the atmosphere. It was stated that if man stopped using CFCs immediately (in about 2003/4) it would take 50 years before we would see any measurable effect on the hole in the ozone layer.

In 2006, the hole was the smallest it had been since accurate recording began in the 1970s.

Our scientific community although well intentioned are still "whistling in the dark" when it comes to many of these problems. I feel that many of them are allowing their science to be affected by the opinions of a very vocal minority.

There may well be something in what they say, but I feel that they don't know the half of it yet. There is no doubt that we seem to be suffering an increase in extreme weather events, but I feel that because these things are cyclic (well they appear to have been for several 100s of thousands of years) it is far too soon to be making judgements as to their cause. Guesses?... by all means, accurate judgements?... no way.

Originally Posted by Doody

So in less words, your point is the Earth has heated and cooled a bunch of different times before us humans can along and will continue to heat and cool regardless of our actions?

I had to break it down for those members who don't like to read long posts

Thank you.

I am annoyed with the green movement.


P.S. I love the color green.

That's good Seno, I'll agree with that.

I agree with you too Pixie. (Yes, yes, Thank you Lt.).

Originally Posted by senojekips

For many years the egg heads were pointing to the hole in the ozone layer as an example of what man made pollutants were doing to the atmosphere. It was stated that if man stopped using CFCs immediately (in about 2003/4) it would take 50 years before we would see any measurable effect on the hole in the ozone layer.

In 2006, the hole was the smallest it had been since accurate recording began in the 1970s.

Oddly enough NASA has a different story:

“From September 21 to 30, [2006], the average area of the ozone hole was the largest ever observed, at 10.6 million square miles,” said Paul Newman, atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center. Newman was joined by other scientists from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in reporting that the ozone hole over the polar region of the Southern Hemisphere broke records for both area and depth in 2006. A little over a week after the ozone hole sustained its new record high for average area, satellites and balloon-based instruments recorded the lowest concentrations of ozone ever observed over Antarctica, making the ozone hole the deepest it had ever been.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...3?img_id=17436

Another concern of mine with this is that many countries pay the environment no mind, if we're excessively concerned about it as a nation, not just the current freaks, than the other nations will pass us and fast in military capability. Kind of hard for us to remain a super power if we're a bunch of tree huggers while everyone else is building their military for the hated Americans.

Well Monty, it just goes to prove that the answers depend on what experts you listen to, because it made the news here, and since that time it has completely dropped off the radar. When was the last time you heard someone quoting the hole in the ozone layer as a measurement of the damage CFCs were doing to the atmosphere.

I just went googling and it appears that my time scale was out, it was 2002, meaning that the quotation about 50 years befor it stopped growing must have been before that as this was the one thing I remembered about the whole issue.

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations via an enhanced greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least thirty scientific societies and academies of science,[4] including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.

Im not sure how much more can be said. The scientific community (in a vast majority) agree that not only global warming exists, but that humans are exacerbating it.

Not the majority I listen and pay attention to.