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June 6th, 2007   Post 1
rock45
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Post; Jungle warfare questions


Can some one explain the different ways an air strike can be call in when operating in a thick rain forest type jungle? Do the bombs have a hard time getting through the tree line? Are rockets effective in 120 feet tall tree covered jungles? For example you’re on the Ecuadorian- Peruvian border in 100 plus foot high trees covered jungle without GPS how do you call in an air strike? How would the attack or strike jet know when to release there bombs? I’m trying to learn about close in combat in a jungle environment and I’m focusing on South America. I know the Colombian army is currently fighting against the FARC in a jungle setting can somebody explain the process on how it’s done. I’ve read that the Colombian army operates over four hundred helicopters is helicopter air power the key? How different is jungle fighting currently today compared to Vietnam era? Thanks
 
June 6th, 2007   Post 2
KJ
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Do you want exact schematics and capabilities of
modern/current tactics/equipment as well?

Specific operational details should not really be shared at an open forum like this.
Our enemy can and does read these types of boards to learn about our tactics and equipment.

You COULD PM one of the current AD guys on this board, explaining who you are and why you need to know and they might/might not tell you.
I reckon that´s the best chance you have of getting a real no bs answer.

//KJ.
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June 7th, 2007   Post 3
rock45
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Post; Basic


Hi KJ
Sorry was only looking for the most basic answers.
 
June 7th, 2007   Post 4
bulldogg
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rock45
Can some one explain the different ways an air strike can be call in when operating in a thick rain forest type jungle? Do the bombs have a hard time getting through the tree line? Are rockets effective in 120 feet tall tree covered jungles? For example you’re on the Ecuadorian- Peruvian border in 100 plus foot high trees covered jungle without GPS how do you call in an air strike? How would the attack or strike jet know when to release there bombs? I’m trying to learn about close in combat in a jungle environment and I’m focusing on South America. I know the Colombian army is currently fighting against the FARC in a jungle setting can somebody explain the process on how it’s done. I’ve read that the Colombian army operates over four hundred helicopters is helicopter air power the key? How different is jungle fighting currently today compared to Vietnam era? Thanks
NO.

No one who knows how to do this is going to violate OPSEC on an open forum and tell you how this is done.
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June 21st, 2007   Post 5
FO Seaman
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rock45
Can some one explain the different ways an air strike can be call in when operating in a thick rain forest type jungle? Do the bombs have a hard time getting through the tree line? Are rockets effective in 120 feet tall tree covered jungles? For example you’re on the Ecuadorian- Peruvian border in 100 plus foot high trees covered jungle without GPS how do you call in an air strike? How would the attack or strike jet know when to release there bombs? I’m trying to learn about close in combat in a jungle environment and I’m focusing on South America. I know the Colombian army is currently fighting against the FARC in a jungle setting can somebody explain the process on how it’s done. I’ve read that the Colombian army operates over four hundred helicopters is helicopter air power the key? How different is jungle fighting currently today compared to Vietnam era? Thanks
Wow oddly specific.
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June 21st, 2007   Post 6
rock45
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Post; oddly specific


Hi FO Seaman
My though process can go in many directions sorry. I agree with bulldogg rules and want to follow them. If you know of any good jungle warfare sites I would like to learn more about this subject. If you know of any already pubic writings about such subjects and can point them to me thanks in advance. PM if you like.
 
June 21st, 2007   Post 7
FO Seaman
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rock45
Hi FO Seaman
My though process can go in many directions sorry. I agree with bulldogg rules and want to follow them. If you know of any good jungle warfare sites I would like to learn more about this subject. If you know of any already pubic writings about such subjects and can point them to me thanks in advance. PM if you like.
There'a hundreds of books and writings you can veiw and read without breaking OPSEC or causing any major problems.
 
June 22nd, 2007   Post 8
bulldogg
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Rocks not heavy, he's just a civilian and never dealt with OPSEC or PERSEC rules. He's learning, I gave him a rubric to use and he's been doing alright since then.
 
June 22nd, 2007   Post 9
Grimmy
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Just to wind up the OPSEC jumpers just a bit...

rock45: Just remember that anything that can be dropped from the air or shot out of a cannon that goes boom, also can have various fuse settings depending on terrain and need.
Also, sometimes, when shells or bombs are set to go on impact and hit tall trees and such, that actually adds to the casualty production capability by turning the tree tops into even more shrapnel.

Helos are mucho beneficial in such terrain because land nav can be a horrible pita and the ability to fly over terrain that's between where your guys are at and where they need to be is a huge force multiplier. Add to that fast transport the concepts of enhanced logistics support and modern helos able to perform as mobile gun and rocket platforms and its pretty easy to see that "more the merrier" rule can apply.
 
June 25th, 2007   Post 10
rock45
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Post; tall trees


Thanks Grimmy never thought of the trees acting like shrapnel but makes perfect sense. I can see the useful reasons for various fuse settings I guess a lot depends on what the mission calls for or target is. Fighting in the jungle must be difficult I can't imagine what it must be like carry equipment in the heat And just not seeing what's ten feet in front of you would drive me insane. How do you even know when your walking into an ambush? Looking back at the different Vietnam movies I guess being a point man is dangerous s___t, and there just movies and not even real. I guess night fighting or operations in the a hot jungle rain forest must be the worse beside the cold?
 



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