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Topic: Joint Combat Pistol Program may still get go ahead. |
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| 100% Space Shuttle Door Gunner | Post; Joint Combat Pistol Program may still get go ahead.Quote:
Smith & Wesson M&P .45 Smith & Wesosn SW990L Smith & Wesosn Model 4566 TSW Smith & Wesosn Model 4563 TSW Springfield Armory XD-45 Ruger P-345 Ruger P90 GLOCK 21 GLOCK 21SF FN Herstal FNP-45 Heckler & Koch USP 45 Heckler & Koch USP Compact 45 Heckler & Koch HK45 Sig Sauer P220 All the pistols list work and are worth a damn. Yeah, Taurus Firearms makes a pistol blah, blah, blah, blah..... In the end these damn pistols work.
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| Tirones | Post; The Future Handgun System (FHS)According to DOA Procurement Programs, Army plans to procure in FY 2009-2011 15,000 FHS (5,000 each year) as a new Personal Defense Weapon (PDW). A new PDW is required to replace the outdated M9 Pistols. Intriguing news but nothing is said about definite weapon. |
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| Optio | Wow... A soldier at my armory told me: "Yeh, they got new stuff out, but the old stuff still does the job so I ain't gonna get the new stuff any time soon." The M9 is a fine pistol and does the job, and why the heck would the air force (OF ALL OF THE SERVICES?) need a .45 cal anyways? Especially air crewmen, since they're in the air, not on the ground. Sure, if your downed you need something like a knife and a 9mm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 9mm ammo is much easier to get than .45. So logistically since the 9mm does the job and is cheaper/easier to get, why would you need to replace it?
__________________ Audax et Celer (Bold and Swift) -Royal Canadian Dragoons' motto Cpl. Matteo, 2332 Major Holland VC Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps, RCD Platoon. |
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| Tribunus Laticlavius | I think it would be cool if they issued machine pistols as standard sidearms. You know, because they spend so much time indoors these days.
__________________ "It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it." - George Washington |
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| Optio | I know with the marines the Beretta 92FS is still the standard issue, mostly because its simple, theres not many pieces and Im not sure how many of you have seen combat but if the enemy is so close the thandard grunt is pulling his pistol somthing has gone seriously wrong. Standard marine special forces side arm of choice is .45 which is believe is universal now with spec ops in all branches. |
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| 100% Space Shuttle Door Gunner | All of the design mentioned are modern day pistols. They have less parts then both the 1911-A1 and the Beretta 92FS (M9). As for the issue of logistics. That's not an issue if it becomes standard issue. .45 ACP does a far better job in the terms of self defense then the standard 9x19mm NATO loading. The reason is that 9mm does great work if it's a Hallow Point but the military is stuck to using Full Metal Jacket. FMJ does not expand when it hits soft targets. Hence what happens with 9mm is that it over penetrates (goes through) the target. .45 ACP does not over penetrate. The Air Force relies on pistols more then the rest of the branches but the Air Force is now seeing more ground combat in Iraq. The idea of the USAF sitting behind the wire at some flight line is long gone. This is 4th Generation Warfare, everyone is in the fight. And besides, the USAF was the first branch to adopt and push both the 9mm and the 5.56x45 M16 into general service. The US Army has always sat back and resisted change. |
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