Sometimes a politician shows his true colors, this is one of those times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

I believe its called pandering.

Actually he's not that far off but he left out a major point.

Even if you DO work hard and study you can STILL wind up in Iraq. How many people do you know joined the service not because they were lazy but because they couldn't afford college? When I was in college several of my best friends had just returned from the Gulf War and it was the Army/Air Force (no Marines, sorry...) that was paying the tuition.

We saw the same thing in Vietnam, those who could afford college got deferments, those who couldnt got drafted. (Yes, there were exceptions).

What Kerry missed is that it isnt a matter of if you work hard or not, its how much green you got.

How many sons of Billionaires, do you see in the Service?

Actually Kerry totally missed every major point in question.

#1. All volunteer military.
#2. If you are in the military reserve/guard, you took an oath.
#3. If you are a patriot and feel the GWOT/Iraq conflict is justified you and you join the military there is a high probablitliy that you will be in Iraq at one time or another.

Right now my sons can go to HS and then go to college if they choose, if they do not choose college they can go into the workforce and earn a living. They do not have to go into the military and there is no immediate plans to reinstitute the draft.

Kerry is an idiot!

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Actually he's not that far off but he left out a major point.

Even if you DO work hard and study you can STILL wind up in Iraq. How many people do you know joined the service not because they were lazy but because they couldn't afford college? When I was in college several of my best friends had just returned from the Gulf War and it was the Army/Air Force (no Marines, sorry...) that was paying the tuition.

We saw the same thing in Vietnam, those who could afford college got deferments, those who couldnt got drafted. (Yes, there were exceptions).

What Kerry missed is that it isnt a matter of if you work hard or not, its how much green you got.

How many sons of Billionaires, do you see in the Service?

Words are essentially meaningless without context......so I'd like to see the context of this before I pass judgement.

John Kerry insulting vets. What else is new?

Originally Posted by WNxRogue

Words are essentially meaningless without context......so I'd like to see the context of this before I pass judgement.

I think the words are pretty clear. You might mean that you want to see what the context was before the severity of the sentencing.

I think Kerry's presidential nomination flown south.

[quote=Senior Chief;261890]Actually Kerry totally missed every major point in question.

#1. All volunteer military.

Well in both my friends cases it was the choice spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers in poor neighborhoods, or joining the military and going to college after (if you survive). That doesnt seem like much of a choice. Its espically unfair when its ALWAYS the poor that always have to make the choice. We dont have a volenteer army, we have a how-to-get-out-of-poverty-army. I think thats neither in the American interest nor in the military's. The British Army is a true volenteer army and its a far more equitable system, you can find people from all economic classes in the British Army.

#2. If you are in the military reserve/guard, you took an oath.

I agree, but refer to #1. Its not fair that the poor always get stuck with the choice.

#3. If you are a patriot and feel the GWOT/Iraq conflict is justified you and you join the military there is a high probablitliy that you will be in Iraq at one time or another.

Scratch the first part, because the military dont give a damn what you feel. If you join, chances are you are going to Iraq whether you want to or not. I have no problem with this, I just wish that poor people had other options than the military. Theres a difference between those how want to join and those that HAD to join, because there was no other option.

[quote=mmarsh;261931]

Originally Posted by Senior Chief

Actually Kerry totally missed every major point in question.

#1. All volunteer military.

Well in both my friends cases it was the choice spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers in poor neighborhoods, or joining the military and going to college after (if you survive). That doesnt seem like much of a choice. Its espically unfair when its ALWAYS the poor that always have to make the choice. We dont have a volenteer army, we have a how-to-get-out-of-poverty-army. I think thats neither in the American interest nor in the military's. The British Army is a true volenteer army and its a far more equitable system, you can find people from all economic classes in the British Army.

#2. If you are in the military reserve/guard, you took an oath.

I agree, but refer to #1. Its not fair that the poor always get stuck with the choice.

#3. If you are a patriot and feel the GWOT/Iraq conflict is justified you and you join the military there is a high probablitliy that you will be in Iraq at one time or another.

Scratch the first part, because the military dont give a damn what you feel. If you join, chances are you are going to Iraq whether you want to or not. I have no problem with this, I just wish that poor people had other options than the military. Theres a difference between those how want to join and those that HAD to join, because there was no other option.

The total argument you have is unfounded. First, your friends chose to go to the military rather than to go to college. Before you say they didn't have the money to go to college, neither did I, but I found a way to raise the money to go. I was flipping burgers when I started and I continued by washing dishes at a hospital. I didn't finish college when I was young because I was given a draft notice. The guys that choose the military aren't necessarily poor, and you are in error by saying that only the poor join the military. I know many people that worked their way through college and then joined, with a commissison. They bettered their life and then went into the military. Your perception of the military only taking the poor is absurd.

If you ARE poor, and you join the military today you have no excuse but to expect to be engaged in war. Common sense tells you that a nation at war uses their military personnel in war conditions.

On the other hand, you probably have inside information that tells you that the Army/Navy/Airforce/Marines/Coast Guard all screen their enlistees and make sure they fall below the hypothetical poverty line before they can be inducted.

The late Pat Tillman, was far from poor. The people I know that are in the reserve are far from poor. There are young people in the resrfve that are not wealthy, but they are working and serving their country on weekends for extra money all the while taking classes at the local colleges and universities.

Another thing you have missed is the fact that many of the young people that are inducted are those that are recruited right out of high school. It's a choice they make freely, not one that is forced on them because they are poor. And just in case you are interested, many of them come from families that are not toeing the poverty line.

Like I said, your perception is pretty skewed as well as screwed up.

And just think.... he was almost the president..... what a looooooooooser

Originally Posted by Team Infidel

And just think.... he was almost the president..... what a looooooooooser

What I fear is that the main stream media will try to make a hero out of him (again) so that he can run for president. I think what is worse is the WWE (Wicked Witch of the East) may have a shot at the office. When WWE's young daughter was to ride away from an event in DC she was slated to ride in a car with a military general officer, she refused saying that her family doesn't like the military. A child doesn't come up with something like that on her own, it's a family affair. Can you imagine what might happen to the U.S. military should she be elected?