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January 11th, 2011   #21
Yossarian
 
 
What about China's new J 20 Stealth Project that made the front page of the Journal?

I know it's early but China estimates if engine deals with Russia go through that the stealth fighter, and yes, a "true" stealth fighter like the F/A 22 by early 2016-2018.

The plane has already been seen making high speed taxis , a step that proves that the project is pretty far along in the development stage. And most likely like mentioned by the few press releases in foreign newspapers that only reason that the new stealth replacement isn't in the air is because of engine issues.


What gets me however is that China's Press agencies did not make an effort to curtail all news of the plane getting out.

I'll look for some pictures



"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience"- Dwight D. Eisenhower , Jan 17,1961.
 
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January 12th, 2011   #22
ROCKERPUSS
 
 

JF-17 VS LCA TEJAS info


Indian LCA is not claiming it is the best multi role aircraft in the world in all respect but its air frame is of composite material which makes the aircraft light & fly long distance, fast with little fuel which makes it similar to F15 Eagle, Eurojet fighters, Su 27MKII & Su-30MKI . The engine F404-IN20 of LCA Tejas jetfighter is manufacturered by General Electric, currenrly used by European figter jets. Tejas employs C-FC materials for up to 45% of its airframe by weight, including in the fuselage (doors and skins), wings (skin, spars and ribs), elevons, tailfin, rudder, air brakes and landing gear doors. Composites are used to make an aircraft both lighter and stronger at the same time compared to an all-metal design,
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sJ4CCeFFeo...E9Xw/s1600/lca-
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iGO4cv1GqO...ca-tejas-7.jpg
http://frontierindia.net/wp-content/...008/11/lca.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ej5kQwZWlz...KQDI/s1600/LCA-
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/...-formation.jpg
http://thecurrentaffairs.com/hal-lca...ed-in-iaf.html

Togther with SUKHOI PAKFA the 5th generation Russian stealth fighter Pakistani Air force PAF and PLAAF have no chance to wage or dream a war with Indian Airforce IAF at near future against the truth as of 2010 -2020.
http://cdnpullz.defencetalk.com/wp-c...375&h=245&zc=1

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/...rst-flight.jpg

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/...-flight-03.jpg

Chinese Stealths will take decades to complete & inferior to US & Russian technology and there can be chances Chinese Stealths are just decoy or a dummy.
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/avia...hoi-pak-fa.jpg
http://www.instablogsimages.com/imag...IecZH_5965.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7519/pakfat50.jpg
http://www.instablogsimages.com/imag...914Cr_5965.jpg
http://www.instablogsimages.com/imag...V9N2J_5965.jpg
Some un educated/ semi educated boys blow some propaganda thru inter-net are not true !!

Pakistan renamed Super-7 as JF-17 Thunder in 2003 which became a real blunder in 2010 when fitted with WS Chinese high mortality Engine. JF-17 at present MEANS JOINT FUN MAKING AIRCRAFT ( JF with 17 great Blunders) of Chinese origin. The aircraft JF-17 uses a poor copy of Airframe of Mig 21 which is Iron oxide heavy metal and technolgy of Wright Brother's time. Some Pakistani women are so scared that their government were not able to procure even a second quality Russian Engine. Now they have no option but to go for a third quality Engine Chinese WS-13, which will place the life of their pilot husband of PAF in a balance. However some un-happy wives of pilots of Pakistani Air Force (PAF) are happy, if they know their husbands are flying JF17 in action or on regular flights !! Pakistan is going to test the performances of their JF17 fighter jet on poor African, Asian & Latin American countries. The Thunder is going to be a futuristic widow-maker Aircraft. The overall result of joint Chinese Pakistani joint venture yielded a slow moving cheap aircraft which can be easy target for Indian LCA's, Mig 21 Bison, French Mirage 2000s, Su 27MKII, Mig 31 & Su PAKFA the 4.5/5th generation jet fighters of IAF. In the year 2010 while I was strolling along China - India border I got a aircraft engine part of Chinese origin. When brought for examination on the same day it was found to be a part JF-17 Fighter-jet which fell down while a Chinese JF 17 aircraft roamed that area. Next day I heard in news some Chinese air-craft similar to JF 17 was destroyed on the runway and killing the pilot. China can afford loss of a skilled Pilot because so many people out there but Pakistan cannot afford to loose a pilot’s life !! Pakistani scientists are developing latest Aircraft using Adobe photoshop & PAF Occasionally modifies American F16s with Adobe-photoshop & 3D MAX Computer games software to carry their nuclear bombs. At Kamra Aeronauitics Co - Pakistan all they have is a laptop with dozens of big cans with Green paint to paint RED-colored Chinese Aircrafts & missiles.

http://www.hamsab.net/wp-content/upl...17-thunder.jpg

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January 31st, 2011   #23
manish_jmit
 
hey tba paki. how about lca and su 30mki firing brahmos?? 8 miles per second speed. wat will your so called f1-16s and jf.. watever gonna do?
 
January 31st, 2011   #24
manish_jmit
 
hey rock. dude dont be so rude to the day dreamer tba paki. he is just a thumb sucking kid.
 
February 12th, 2011   #25
arslanpower
 

muahahhaha info


dont be jelous from jf-17 thunder its a capable of BVR missiles and LCA stands for LATEST CRAP AIRCRAFT so thers a huge difference between them muahahha and su30 mki and FGFA? mauhahaha according to russian defence minister their inventory is sub standard muahahhahahha so dont even think to fight against pakistan because u will looose ur air crafts on ur own like flying coffins muahahha and prepare for upgraded F-16s
 
February 14th, 2011   #26
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKERPUSS
Togther with SUKHOI PAKFA the 5th generation Russian stealth fighter Pakistani Air force PAF and PLAAF have no chance to wage or dream a war with Indian Airforce IAF at near future against the truth as of 2010 -2020.
YouTube - China's fake next generation awacs(kj2000) crash
http://cdnpullz.defencetalk.com/wp-c...375&h=245&zc=1
This news report really said nothing about the aircraft being fake. Rather, that out of the 40 killed in the crash, 35 were among China's top scientists who were on board during the flight.
 
February 17th, 2011   #27
ROCKERPUSS
 
 

LCA Vs JF 17 thread info




Arslanpower is silent about Engine quality of JF17 Blunder Aircraft with (Work Shut) WS-13 Chinese Engines. Either he is a thumb licking kid to say any comments about Aircrafts or an un educated boy spending times in Internet cafes. He can go to Afghanistan for higher education. Paki ministers are frequently visiting N.Korea & China for shopping missiles & Aircrafts. Next job is very easy to paint it Green at Kamra Aeronautical Co. (which was a old Chicken-pig Farm). Usually Chinese Aircrafts & missiles come with RED color. Still PAF Scientists are modify F-16 Aircrafts to carry their nuclear bombs which American Scientists don't know or have equla technology. The above video shows the welcome party for Shenyang Aircrafts, other old tech Aircrafts of 1940 inferior Chinese technology planes of PAF inside Indian Border. Poor kid muahahhaha !!!
 
March 14th, 2011   #28
ROCKERPUSS
 
 

JF-17 VS LCA TEJAS info


Chinese are 1/2 idiots & Pakis buying JF17 Blunder from Chinese are ..... !!
 
April 30th, 2011   #29
ROCKERPUSS
 
 

Kaveri Engine Test by Gromov Institute Russia was a success info



Kaveri Engine Test by Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Moscow - Russia was a success !!

The engine was tested from take-off to landing and flew for a period of over one hour up to at an altitude of 6000m at a speed of 0.6 mach in its maiden flight. The engine control, engine performance and engine health during the flight were found to be excellent. With this test, Kaveri Engine has completed a major milestone of the development program. During the coming months further 50-60 test flights will be carried out to mature the engine in terms of reliability, safety and airworthiness. These trials would pave the way for further flight trials of Kaveri Engine with a fighter aircraft.


An existing IL-76 aircraft was modified as a Flying Test Bed for this trial, with Kaveri engine replacing one of the four engines of the aircraft. The modifications included instrumentation required for trials as well as integration of mechanical, electrical and fuel system. The engine was controlled by the pilot from the cockpit. A number of taxi trials were carried out with Kaveri Engine integrated with the aircraft, before this maiden flight. The engine data was recorded in the aircraft as well as transmitted to ground station by telemetry."

India is not claiming Kaveri Engine is the best in the world but have a tie up with SNECMA for further development of the Engine.


http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/yo54fmdhy2mq/qak94i/kaveriengineaeroindia2009.jpg

Performance details (from Wikipedia)


Maximum thrust:
    • Military thrust (throttled):11,687 lbf (52.0 kN)
    • Full afterburner:18,210 lbf (81.0 kN)
    • Specific fuel consumption:
    • Military thrust: 0.78 lb/(lbf•h) (79.52 kg/(kNh))
    • Full afterburner: 2.03 lb/(lbf•h) (207.00 kg/(kNh))
    • Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.8:1 (76.0 N/kg)


LCA Tejas is the world's smallest, light weight, multi-role combat aircraft. Use of composites in the LCA resulted in a 40% reduction in the total number of parts compared to using a metallic frame. Furthermore, the number of fasteners has been reduced by half in the composite structure from the 10,000 that would have been required in a metallic frame design. The composite design also helped to avoid about 2,000 holes being drilled into the airframe. You just imagine how many thousands of holes drilled to JF17 metal Air-frame which will result in fatigue in addition to Chinese WS Engines !! It will be ideal for them to get upgraded F-16s & Mirage IIIs instead of going for JF-17's. Life of skilled PAF pilot is valuable for their wife & children. muahaha !! haha mua mua !!




Kaveri Engine is now being considered for Indian Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) not for LCA and it needs to undergo further tests shortly !!




At a Glance
    • Powerplant: 1xF404-GE-IN20)
      Thrust (Dry): 54.9 kN (12,250 lbs)
      Thrust (Afterburner): 85 kN (19,000 lbs)
      13.2 m Wing Span 8.2 m Height 4.4 m
    • Wing Area 38.4 sq m
    • Maximum Speed 1350 kph
    • CAS Service Ceiling 15000 m
    • Air-to-Air Missiles CCM/BVR

      The decision to develop a Mk-2 version of Tejas LCA was taken in September 2008,


    • http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/yo54fmd...imgp5430lr.jpg

      The GE-F404 powered Tejas doesn't meet IAF requirements, so a followup version of the Tejas is being developed with a more powerful engine. Ironically, LCA Tejas Mk-2 will be the real LCA that the IAF sought to begin with. There is an aircraft industry in India with skilled manpower unlike to PAC Camra with painters. They can modify LCA Tejas to MKII, MKIII A.....

    • Thumb licking kid can lick the other middle finger also.
Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) Indian Stealth Air-Air Combat Capabilities



Long Range Combat
  • 1. Low Radar Signature
  • 2. Extended detection range and targeting
  • 3. Supercruise
  • 4. Supersonic weapon release
Short Range Combat
    1. Low IR signature
    2. Thrust Vectoring
    3. High AOA controllability
    4. All aspect missile warning system
Air-Ground Capabilities

1. Stealth Missions
2. Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD)
3. Precision strike
4. Special missions



Sensor Suite
    1. AESA radar
    2. IRST
Weapon Suite

1. BVR Missile
2. Close Combat Missile
3. JDAM
4. PGM



Some of the advanced Features ....
    • Stealth
    • Electronic Warfare
    • Shaping for Low Observability (LO)
    • Internal Weapons
    • Future Missiles
    • Stand-Off Weapons
    • Precision Weapons
    • Net Centric warfare
    • Appropriate EW
Quote:
"Anyone who puts a small gloss on a fundamental technology, calls it proprietary, and then tries to keep others from building on it, is a thief".
-Tim O'Reilly

Kaveri Engine do have some plus points and in line with most of the advanced aircraft engines of 2010 - 2020 technology.

Last edited by ROCKERPUSS; May 7th, 2011 at 19:18..
 
May 20th, 2011   #30
ROCKERPUSS
 
 

LCA Tejas resemblance with French Mirage 2000 info


LCA shares in common feautures with the French Mirage-2000 is that both are delta winged single engined multirole aircrafts. Nothing more or nothing less than that. Mirage is a super fighterjet ofcourse. In 18th century an Indian Scientist Shivkar Bapuji Talpade tested a flying machine at Chowpathy, Mumbai with mercury engines believed to be re-invented from ancient Sanskrit scrolls


Here is a comparative side by side showing the totally independent designs of the LCA and the Mirage (the image is not to scale)




the RCS of the LCA is 1/3 rd that of the Mirage !!!

http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/kaveri.html

India sought a tie up with French Snecma for the development of Kaveri Engine. They supplied a new core to the Engine.

During 1964- 1977 India attempted to build a supersonic fighter : HAL HF-24 Marut Mk 1T [D1695]) MARUT
Development of the Marut: (the HF-24, designed by the great German WWII Designer Kurt Tank). HF-24 was to use engines with more power. Some European manufacturers were not willing to supply matching engines to India for Marut HF-24. . A prototype was built(1961). HF24 Marut have close resemblance with French Mirage.

http://admirableindia.com/karnataka/hal-aerospace-museum-bangalore-part-2-marut-hf-24-fightertrainer-and-mig-21-fightertrainer
http://www.warbirds.in/karnataka/hal/149-marut-d1695.html



Infact the LCA when inducted should be given a HF-xx designation, following the naming pattern (HF standing for Hindusthan Fighter). Infact the phrase LCA is equivalent to "ATF" of the F-22 programme...and Tejas is equivalent to the Phrase "raptor" or "maruth" of the F-22 and HF-24's. In most probability the LCA will be called the HF-84 Tejas

Some History during 1970-1971 (IAF- PAF)

During Indo-Pakistan war 1971, IAF was using Folland Gnats (British - smallest fighter jet of 1970's ) against PAF.
The PAF's mainstay was the F-86F Sabre. The F-86F Sabre (sometimes called the Sabrejet). Sabrejets were a larger aircrafts when compared to IAF Gnats . In the intial stages of the war PAF scored some victories but in later stages of war, we witnessed a large number of PAF Sabrejets were shot down. News of the incident and the famous gun camera shots were splashed across /hit newspaper headlines the world over like lightning and the tiny Gnat acquired a reputation of being the Sabre killer. By the end of 1971, the Gnat proved to be a frustrating opponent for the technically superior Sabres and had lived up to its Indian Air Force nickname of "Sabre Slayers" since all its combat "kills" during the two wars were against Sabres. The success of the indigenously produced Gnats against the more sophisticated Pakistani-flown aircrafts were viewed as a significant achievement. Details of IAF 1971 operations can be viewed if you click on the links below.

An analysis: Sabrejet (PAF) was a successfull fighter jet during Korean war. Sabrejet was a fighter /bomber. These qualities contributed adding extra weight to the aircraft which subsequently affected Thrust to weight ratio. Sabrejet Engines could not develop/provide the required thrust for Indian battle front and to counter Folland Gnat's quick maneuverability. Folland Gnats were very hard to spot at low levels. The war scenarios in Korean & Indian sub-continents were entirely different. Can you imagine the size & maneuverability of a motor cycle with a large Cargo Trailer Truck? Sabrejet was little bit difficult to maneuver due to it's larger size, cannons & bomb load/weight.

Armament
(F-86F Sabre)

5,300 lb (2,400 kg) of payload on four external hardpoints,
2 200 gallons drop tanks to give the Sabre a useful range. A wide variety of bombs can be carried
2 1,000 lb bombs plus two drop tanks), napalm bomb /tactical nuclear weapon.



Armament
(Gnat)






  • 2x 30mm ADEN cannons
  • 2x 500 lb (227 kg) bombs or 18x 3 in (76 mm) rockets

Because of these key factors, maneuverability Sabrejet (PAF) decreased to a greater extend as per British experts/ Russian Military Review Magazine of 1985's. Gnat was only a Fighter jet with reduced bomb loads, easy to maneuver can be used like a motor bike. The Battle fields will never accept mistakes either technological or pilot errors. PAF was inactive during naval attack of Karachi harbour by Indian Navy (IN). The IAF Pilots rated the Mirage-III as the best PAF fighter & were afraid to confront. To their (IAF) surprise, they were not used in 1971 war !!. IAF Mig-21 fighter jets performance was also superior/decisive in the battle. It was the only IAF Fighter jet could catch up with PAF Mirages. This experience with small fighter jets made India to go for designing LCA Tejas.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat
http://www.subcontinent.com/1971war/skies.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

http://cgi.ebay.com/INDIA-STAMP-FOLLAND-GNAT-FIGHTER-PLANE-USED-/250807123303
http://www.subcontinent.com/1971war/seawar.html



History will repeat again ?? Wait & see !! "This is not pull ...mua. ha"

Quote:
Air-force Pilots should know "The battle fields will never forgive mistakes (technological or mechanical or pilot or any type of errors) and should expect each battle field scenerios are different".
- ROCKERPUSS

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