Israel strikes Beirut suburb, tightens blockade

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July 15th, 2006   #11
Rabs
 
 
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Because palestine has been so messed up over the years the militant organizations are rogues, you think hamas controls everything with an iron fist? If that were the case the soldier wouldn't even be kidnapped and the rockets would never be fired.
What? Hizballah and Hamas are entirely seperate except in the fact they are funded by Iran and Syria. Iran started this whole mess to get attention off itself and its nuke program. This is all a big show with a bunch of actors all protecting the head pimp Iran.


 
July 15th, 2006   #12
phoenix80
 
 
Go Israel Go!
 
July 16th, 2006   #13
WarMachine
 
 
Israel is going to lead itself into another war with syria and quite possibly iran over this. I really don't that anyone wants that and it'll probably become a stalemate, israel always fights near home so i don't think they'll have much of an advantage on an offensive too far way.

If israel is so concerned about their soldiers why are they now putting them into new situations in which they're being kidnapped and killed?


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July 16th, 2006   #14
ASTRALdragon
 
 
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If israel is so concerned about their soldiers why are they now putting them into new situations in which they're being kidnapped and killed?
Because they want to defend their land?
 
July 16th, 2006   #15
Rabs
 
 
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Israel is going to lead itself into another war with syria and quite possibly iran over this. I really don't that anyone wants that and it'll probably become a stalemate, israel always fights near home so i don't think they'll have much of an advantage on an offensive too far way.

If israel is so concerned about their soldiers why are they now putting them into new situations in which they're being kidnapped and killed?
Israel wants this war, theyve been waiting for a reason to destroy Hizbullah for a long time. I think they would this rather not spread into Syria and Iran, but if you compare the armed forces of those two countries to Israel there is really no comparison. Then if you factor in training and experience...and allies.
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If israel is so concerned about their soldiers why are they now putting them into new situations in which they're being kidnapped and killed?
Cause thats what soldiers do?
Hizbullah capturing the Israeli soldiers was an act of war, one that Israel is oh so happy to fight.
 
July 16th, 2006   #16
WNxRogue
 
 
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Because they want to defend their land?
You mean the Palistinian land taken away by an agreement made between foreign countries?

As for this war, I dont see it as Iran trying to take view away from there missle program, I see it as something much more insidious. If Isreal goes to war with lebanon and syria (and i mean full land war not just strikes and whatnot) then all 3 would be weakened. Isreal would no doubt win, but they would be weakened, and maybe Iran can come in and finish Isreal. Think about it, with Isreal, Lebanon and Syria gone(or atleast severely weakened), that strengthens Iran in that area of the world.
 
July 16th, 2006   #17
Rabs
 
 
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As for this war, I dont see it as Iran trying to take view away from there missle program, I see it as something much more insidious. If Isreal goes to war with lebanon and syria (and i mean full land war not just strikes and whatnot) then all 3 would be weakened. Isreal would no doubt win, but they would be weakened, and maybe Iran can come in and finish Isreal. Think about it, with Isreal, Lebanon and Syria gone(or atleast severely weakened), that strengthens Iran in that area of the world.
No, Iran isnt retarded, this isnt about finishing Israel off once for and all the west simply wouldnt let that happen. The only way he can do that is with nukes and even then it would be sucide.

Iran had Hezballah take the prisoners and start this crap so that Irans failure to give a response to the nuclear proposal would not be talked about at the G8, giveing them more time.
 
July 16th, 2006   #18
centurion_ue
 
 

Israel strikes Beirut suburb, tightens blockade info


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Originally Posted by Rabs
You fool!, If people on the mexican border started lobbing rockets at Houston, and the Mexican government stood by and did nothing. We would be out of our minds to not defend ourselves. Then after hiting the areas were the missiles were comeing from and our soldiers taken to be told that we were over reacting!


i truly understand how you guys feel,and i strongly believe that isreal has every right to defend itself and her citizens.but i'm afraid you're over-doing it.destroying the basic utilities (power stations,etc) and collectively punishing the whole population will not solve the problem.you will simply create more enemies for yourself.
my humble advice to all isrealis is that they do not allow anger cloud their judgment(u guys are far better than this).i'm sure there're other ways of solving these problems.but that's my own humble opinion.

Israel wants this war, theyve been waiting for a reason to destroy Hizbullah for a long time. I think they would this rather not spread into Syria and Iran, but if you compare the armed forces of those two countries to Israel there is really no comparison. Then if you factor in training and experience...and allies.

syria?definitely.but iran?well....................i'm not so sure.remember:
  • the iranians have had time to build their own hi-tech weaponry
  • their military use western doctrine unlike arab countries used
  • u guys have never fought against each (except thru proxies)
  • they do no have the same mindset as arabs,
  • and they have the nuclear technology
Mod Edit....double posts.

Last edited by Missileer; July 17th, 2006 at 02:28.. Reason: Double post
 
July 16th, 2006   #19
Rabs
 
 
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the iranians have had time to build their own hi-tech weaponry
What do you mean by High Tec? Their Zulfacar tanks or whatever, are T-72s with fancy paint jobs.

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their military use western doctrine unlike arab countries used
Yes, but they havent cross trained with the west in a long time. Tactic change, weapons change.
Also Russian doctrine if used properly is quite effective, ask the guys that train out at the NTC (i think thats what its called National Training Center) in the desert that normally get their asses kicked by Russian doctrine.

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u guys have never fought against each (except thru proxies)
Iraq was there eveivlient in GW1 and look what happend to them, add to that our capabilities have improved more than theirs since then.

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they do no have the same mindset as arabs,
They are determined yes.

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and they have the nuclear technology
Not a weapon yet hopefully, they must be prevented from obtaining it however.

Last edited by Rabs; July 16th, 2006 at 20:06..
 
July 16th, 2006   #20
Italian Guy
 
 
Lebanese civilians are being killed because The Hezbollah's have placed all their barracks, headquarters, weapons deposits in the midst of heavily populated areas. Israel has warned the population to evacuate 48 hrs prior to the attack and they haven't.
Israel is NOT deliberately targeting "the whole population" of Lebanon but if you live next to a terrorist HQ you shouldn't complain when you see some fireworks.


"Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it".
Pericles.


 



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