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|September 20th, 2009||#81|
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The big and fundamental (and this is not a "scale" or quantitative thing, it is a qualitatively different and truly perverted attitude) difference of "Nazis" to (what you call) Zionists:
- Israel for all I know does not employ deliberately calculated (by functionaries assinged by state to do just that) *cost optimized* genozide measures (what is cheaper?: 1.2 bullets per corpse - that is the question that started to arise when it turned out that it was too expensive to kill 12 million ppl like that - , electrocution - at what voltage? Gasoline cost per electrocution? Electrocutions per generator? Maintenance cost? -, gassing, etc. in conjunction with cost for disposal of corpses and cost for retrieving marketable issues from corpses like gold teeth, etc.)
- Israel for all I know has not built an *industrialized* genozide machine, where - based on above calculations - a maximum profit at minimum cost needs to be achieved from genocide by extracting maximum profit of the individual and by time and cost optimizing the genozide process.
All that you describe "making your point" is a quantitative scale issue of the methods any other rouge state and/or dictaorship applies right this moment in many spots on the planet, but Israels actions have in no way made the qualitative jump to the two points above that the Nazis decided upon at Wannsee ff. and which is what made them completely different.
15M(ay): Noooobody! ...expects the Spanish Revolution!:
Update SEP 2011: Now reached US, called "Occupy Wall Street" and they claim they invented it. Thanks for learning from Spain!
Last edited by rattler; September 20th, 2009 at 00:46..
|September 20th, 2009||#82|
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As I said the similarities are blindingly obvious. I won't retype my "short list" of crimes again as I'm sure that you read them before,... or did you? Can you tell me any one of these things that I listed that did not have it's direct equivalent with Nazi persecution of the Jews, from 1933 onwards?
Regarding Wannsee Conference. This was a very late event in Germany, not until 1942, but systematic persecution of the Jews had been in place as a matter of State policy since the adoption of the Nuremberg laws which were enacted on 1st April 1933. The Jews were in fact persecuted long before this but this is the date when it became policy.
As for what the Israelis have decided as matters of policy we have no idea, as I'm sure that they would not make their decisions on a matter like this open to world wide scrutiny. All we have as evidence is the current murder theft and generalised bloodshed among the Palestinian population to form our opinions on.
"I am totally responsible for what I write,... however I cannot be held responsible for your complete inability to understand"
Last edited by senojekips; September 20th, 2009 at 04:41..
|September 20th, 2009||#83|
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To say its the same methods like the Nazis ignores the qualitative difference of their final solution methods and as such is used for demagogics (sorry if I repeat myself).
I would not protest if you say they employ the same methods as the Chinese or the Serbs, but by using the "Nazi" designation you downvalue one of the most perverted things that ever have happened on this planet to something every dictator does. You can say they "behave like a fascist state", and I might even agree, but if you say they "behave like the Nazis" (which in this context implies the Holocaust) then I must say: No, factually they donīt.
That is probably my last word about *this* part of the overall issue, I think I have made myself clear enough and if you cannot see it, welll: Nobody is perfect...
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Here we are talking of state sponsored policy of organised theft harassment and murder of the civil populace, and all you can say is that these people are not "perfect". I feel that this severely under thought statement is truly indicative of your whole argument, "it certainly lacks an honest qualitative assessment".
If you feel that my statements make me a demagogue,... so be it, but I am also equally demagogic regarding those other mentioned "Failed States" who employ similar policies around the world. Which rather takes the sting out of being called a demagogue.
|September 21st, 2009||#85|
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You are twisting my words to your liking and claiming statements I quite obviously didnīt make (actually, I think you already understand the words you read in the way you want to understand them through your personal ideological filter *when you read them* instead of capturing what they actually state - which is, btw, perfectly human), I was (quite clearly expressed btw, highlighted for you this time) not talking about "these people" but about *you*.
Where in the above do you read it otherwise? Stuff like that makes discussions impossible and clearly marks a demagogue.
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|September 21st, 2009||#86|
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[quote]Because the land in question is not "Israel" it actually belongs to the Palestinians. As has been previously pointed out, No country or group of countries has the right to just give away someone else's land, those people are honor bound to reclaim their land. [quote]
senjo how would you like it if the aboriginals used this argument to reclaim australia?
i was just thinking hmmm
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[QUOTE=captiva303;542668][quote]Because the land in question is not "Israel" it actually belongs to the Palestinians. As has been previously pointed out, No country or group of countries has the right to just give away someone else's land, those people are honor bound to reclaim their land.
They know as a race that if we were to go, tomorrow, they would be Indonesian, or less likely, Chinese subjects the moment we closed the door behind us.
|September 21st, 2009||#88|
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does that include family?
i wasn't suggesting that aboriginals want that i was testing whether your argument would be applied
half-caste are we allowed to use such derogatory terms on this forum?
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Of course I am not a demagogue, I have merely pushed you into a corner with no place to go, so out come the names, we've already disproved the Anti semite label, now I'm a demagogue, because I dare to point out the truth and won't back down.
You talk of me being a demagogue, yet you just overlook all of the evidence and obvious similarities I have posted. Now that,... is what most people would call being a demagogue....
If you like we can go through them one at a time. Let's start somewhere near the top. The video posted showing the shooting of a Palestinian Farmer working in his fields by Israeli troops. There is any amount of backing for this incident. Would you care to explain why this is not behaviour similar to that Nazi troops, as I think it is.
We can work our way down through the remainder at your leisure. The beatings of civilians, all the good stuff like forced evictions, relocations,.... you know the list I have put up previously, and it grows by the day.
Denials without evidence and then name tagging, I really expected better of you Rattler.
Half cast is a perfectly acceptable term for description a person of half mixed blood, there is nothing derogatory in it.
Last edited by senojekips; September 21st, 2009 at 12:53..
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Don't be a smart arse, you are not up to it, believe me. Answer the question as I answered yours.
Half cast is a perfectly acceptable term for description a person of half mixed blood, there is nothing derogatory in it.[/QUOTE]
that largely depends on context and if you have a look at what you had said it did not appear all to freindly