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I do NOT dismiss the Nazis lightlly, it is a direct comparison shown to be very true, the fact is that you are dismissing the Zionist murderers far too lightly. There is a great similarity in their murderous ways.
I have already shown the similarities between the Nazi treatment of the Jews in Europe,and the Zionist's treatment of the Palestinians. But of course this is where your selective memory drops out again.
Just google Palestinian farmer shot by Israeli Army, I got 311,000 hits of which many are repeats, but I think it's would be fair to say theat there is a great probability that my "propaganda" has a good grounding in fact.
"I am totally responsible for what I write,... however I cannot be held responsible for your complete inability to understand"
Last edited by senojekips; September 16th, 2009 at 12:32..
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Israel is using some of the methods the nazis had used (on all matters not just military matters but also political) , but that is to be expected. The Nazis didn't do anything new other than the industrialized execution of people in Guss chambers.
Interestingly On the matters propaganda the Nazis are mostly the biggest allies of Israel and teachers and not the opposite.
And again that was to be expected.
The Arabs unsuccessfully , also attempted to use propaganda and imperialism effectively.
In fact i think that it is a compliment that Israel is compared to the German state of the past. The truth though is that many states are very similar to it and used simillar methods. Israel's example for special reasons is most striking one.
Like i said , Iran also uses several of the same methods. But when they do it they affect negativelly their interests as a society and as a country , nation. Because Iranians are also the focus of their problematic societies. I think a bigger focus than jews. The problem with Iran is not Jews but Islam it self.
Israel on the other hand is not doing such mistakes. They have a modernised society even if the methods they follow are quite appalinng to not Jews of the area. And are war crimes. Other than that it is a modern state and a good example for Arabs to follow in that region as a society.
Nevertheless , the way they treat palestinians is ofcource making people call "Nazis " ! If only because Israel rightfully so , for it's own interests used them and still does to justiffy any of it;s actions in the area. And since it is a modern state one even has bigger expectations from it.
However Only the Palestinians are the victims of Israel's actions. Other countries of the region should understand that blaming Israel for all their problems will neither fix their problem nor improve the situation of the people. only societal change would. So it is a convenient lie for leaders to use and blame all of their problems on the Jews but it is really a convenient lie to mask an inconvenient truth.
Their societies must change if they want to see progress.
And the Jews should stop blaming everyone else for their problems. Ok you want to protect your interests in an area , and keep your military control over it and expand your settlers. This would have sideffects whether you like it or not. Israel is not going to conquer any time soon all it neighboors even if it could take on one or two and conquer them afterwards. But it does currently occuppy imperialistically an area. And it won't leave it. Countries don't do this. And for this their sideffects and consequences. Ok . Live with them. In the end the sporadic violence is too low of a price to pay and i am being frank here.
However the question to ask is if this policy is in accordance to Israel interests or if their is ideology behind it.
What will Israel do about the Palestinian question ?
What is in it's interest to do ?
Nothing ? Or something specific? I don't know.
In any case , no matter my nazi comments previously (which also hold truth for several countries in the world not only Israel , but i don;t think it can describe most countries in the world . Iran maybe and several others. I am not sure about how many modern "democratic" states pass the criteria) , Israel is a modern state socially and though i want the Palestinians to be granted human rights by the Israeli occupiors , my sympathies also to an extend lie with the Israellis as well.
Defensive imperialism some could call them that was forced both by the situation and by political leaderships.
And that forced them to change more as a people and as a state.
I hope that necessity forces both the Israeli to change and most importantly the Arabs whose problems are far deeper than the problems of Israel in my eyes as they are not a problem of nationalism or imperialism.
The problem is Islam or Islamic extremism and the social that comes with it.
In general because Israelis are not Islamist , unless demographcs have something to do about it , i see a better future for them as a people even if they resort to barbarism , not "out of necessity only if even" but also out of imperialsim and interests. (the same as other states in the area also do.)
|September 16th, 2009||#63|
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While you are at it You can also Google Palestinian farmer shot by Israeli army, you will get over 300,000 hits. This is State condoned murder, does that remind you of anything???
Last edited by senojekips; September 16th, 2009 at 02:43..
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Wrong. I remember all.
The people you refer to as 'those who today call themselves Palestinian'.
And you insistantly assured us there were 1,340,200 of them in 2004.
Now these so-called 'owners of the land'. Show us their claim to 'ownership'.
English by the grace of God.
Last edited by Del Boy; September 16th, 2009 at 15:41..
|September 16th, 2009||#65|
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If you "remember all" why did you ask the question again,... is this part part of your act to derail sensible debate again DB?? Either that or you are an out and out liar.
It's all been said before DB, or have you forgotten,....... again. Selective memory, eh...
Like last time this stupidity started, I am not going to run around for you, re-telling you everything if you can't remember,... go and look if you've forgotten.
What is your problem, do you not read people's answers to your questions, or are you just too thick to grasp the meaning. It's always been your game hasn't it, "The circular argument" round and round we go, as I've told you once before it's all over with me.
While you are sulking about my answer here's something you can watch, a nice bit of State sanctioned torture and deliberate crippling of civilians.
I feel better and better about being an Atheist every day.
Last edited by senojekips; September 16th, 2009 at 16:23..
|September 16th, 2009||#66|
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I have wasted enough of my time on Senojekips. I consider him nothing but a bellowing empty vessel who believes that just because he says something it must be so. I could spend months picking through the small lies which run through the great propaganda he perpetuates as a purveyor of hatred.
So just let me re-iterate my position on this subject, once and for all. Here is a reflection of how I see it, in my continual appeal for peace in the region:-
"Living together in unity as brothers and sisters is a sign of the children who accept God and who will rule His kingdom. The people of Israel, Egypt, the Arab nations, the United States, and all countries must reflect deeply on this.
There is one other area upon which the larger nations need to focus their attention. On the day that an amicable settlement is achieved between the Palestinians and Israel, divisiveness will be erased, wars will stop, peace will be assured, and the destruction will be halted. The only hope for that area lies in convincing these two groups to live in unity as peaceful neighbors, with border security maintained between the two lands by a United Nations Peace Force.
Look at Jerusalem. How many wars have been fought, how many people have ruled, how many have been enslaved, how much danger and suffering there has been! If we can understand this and bring peace to Jerusalem, then all those who believe in God can live in unity. Lack of faith in God is the root of all enmity. And that divisiveness will cease only if those who reject God can be kept from infiltrating Jerusalem. On the very day that this is realized by all people who believe in God, no matter what religion they might follow, then religious differences will disappear and the battles will stop. There will be no more murders, no more blood baths. All differences will be cut away.
Each one of you, the United Nations, America, Europe, the African and Arab countries, Israel, England, and all others who trust in God must realize this basic cause of enmity and cut it away. I say this because the war of destruction seems to be imminent, and I can see where the enemy is. All must join in unity, now!
God accepts Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike. All are found in Jerusalem, yet those who have faith in God as well as those who do not have faith in God continue to fight over that land, even though it only results in destruction. There have been many who have ruled that area and many who have even ruled the earth, but they are all gone. And there are still more to come who will rule and then pass on. No one can rule forever.
Please reflect on this and realize that other than God all else will change. Everything in this world changes; only God remains the same forever. If mankind will realize this truth, then we can avert disaster by coming together with faith in God and living in unity and compassion. Do not live divided. With compassion for each other, live in unity and truth, in the presence of God. Live according to justice and conscience, respecting the lives and bodies of all others as your own, and knowing the hunger and the suffering of others as your own. Have patience, contentment, trust in God, and live praising God at all times and peace will be easy.
We must realize this and take the proper steps to avert disaster before the bombs start falling. Very soon those bombs might burst in our hands. But if we can establish a state of peace, we might gain victory over destruction.
All these things have happened before, and they are happening again. And to what avail? We must learn to live as one human race, worship one God, and fashion laws of righteousness and justice which will take us back to our Creator. That will provide exaltedness to our lives. That will elevate our lives.
We must all attain this state. This is why I most humbly ask all of you to try to avert the disaster that threatens us. Let there be unity among mankind. If we live without the differences of I and you, we can escape from this imminent destruction. Instead of trying to cure the illness of our differences with the arrogance that thinks, "We are better than they are!" we must cure that illness by using God's tolerance and His other gracious qualities. We must use God's power to avert the dangers and disasters that threaten mankind. If we can live with compassion and justice, then laws of truth will govern, unity will live on, patience will be eternal, and compassion will never fail. Absolute justice will reign forever. Mankind must think of this.
All of us must join together to bring peace to the Holy City."
Ah - that's better out than in! Hallejuyah!
Last edited by Del Boy; September 16th, 2009 at 22:03..
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So your position is that we should leave it to a mythical figure to solve the problem?
I guess that is one way of ignoring the problem, bet the British government felt the same way in 1948 after Balfour Declaration of 1917.
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
|September 16th, 2009||#68|
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At least good old seno's posts have had video proof to back his "Empty vessel" claims, unlike your ludicrous claims of things like the Israelis "enviable" treatment of the Palestinians.
At least it will now perhaps allow the thread to get back on topic.
|September 16th, 2009||#69|
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I feel like every muscle in my body is in revolt. I cut TWO Baseball backstops down toady, Its eh fall season here, so the old backstops that are unsafe are contracted out to be replaced with new ones, only problem is my shop gets to do eth demolition, theres only two of us, so we use a cutting torch and a LOT of manual labor, today I'm so dam tired, I will not be a creature of the night this evening Instead I might just die, (if theres a god)
Ops, wrong thread.
Last edited by wolfen; September 19th, 2009 at 17:24..
|September 17th, 2009||#70|
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Spike. Del. Really guys we aren't going to solve this here. Both of you have strongley held beliefs and niether of you are going to change the others mind. So if you would lets just cut the pissing contest short. Thanks.
Sgt. Rafael Peralta ,United States Marine Corps
Company A, 1st Bn, 3rd Marine Regt, 3rd Marine Divison
We will never forget your valor and sacrifice.
Semper Fi !