Tis so bulldog, Tis so.

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And localgrizzly. Historian? No, just someone who has had a lifelong love of the rich tapestry of the past. Of course in school this would get me in trouble. History Teachers get a bit upset when you drag books in from the school library and point out the numerous errors in thier textbooks. At least it made for some interesting classroom discussion, and lively post class debate.[/quote]

Indeed! My world history thesis had to be rewritten twice before the liberal professors would accept it.

It's interesting how difficult it is to have research accepted if you present facts, and how easy it is if you present misinformation that agrees with the faculty's preconcieved biases.

localgrizzly, if you haven't done so already, you should read James Loewen's "Lies My Teacher Told Me". I only wish this book had come out when I was in High School, I would have had all sorts of drama going on.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/01/04/visitiran.shtml

A high-level Russian delegation will visit Tehran this week to discuss Moscow’s compromise proposal on the Islamic republic’s nuclear program, AFP reported.

“A Russian delegation led by Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kisliak, is due to come on Jan. to discuss the Russian proposal,” said foreign ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi.

In a bid to break deadlock in negotiations, Moscow has suggested allowing Iran to conduct uranium enrichment in Russia, giving it access to the nuclear fuel cycle while guaranteeing its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.

However, Asefi reaffirmed Iran would not consider the offer unless it acknowledges the country’s right to conduct uranium enrichment operations in Iran, a key sticking point in talks with the European Union.

“It’s not a structured proposal it is still an idea, we have to discuss it. There are ambiguities but if it says that enrichment can only happen in Russia it’s not acceptable, but if it’s a parallel and complementary plan we will consider that.”

If they truly are interested in only peaceful uses of nuclear energy why would this proposal from the Russians be so "not acceptable"?

In iran the issue is now one of national pride. It would be very difficult if not impossible for an Iranian goverment to agree to any proposal that is seen to give in to foreign pressure, especially when it comes with the threat of terror attached.

The point is that Iran believes its has every right (under the NPT) to enrich unranium for peaceful purposes on its own soil. It is signatory of the NPT and so far the IAEA has no evidence that Iran is trying to make WMD. Iran has also signed aditional protocols to the NPT as a confidence building guesture that opens it nuclear programme to more scrutiny than any other country. As the Iranians point out the UK and US would never allow their nuclear facilities to be opened up to the IAEA in similar fashion.

From Irans point of view they have complied with the NPT and made voluntary consetions to the IAEA that no ther country has made and all they have got back in return is the open threat of military action from the US and Israel.

The Russian proposal might have a tiny chance of being accepted but in the current political climate I cannot see how the Iranian government can accept it and save face at home.

Iran's goal is not simply about saving face.

They are developing nuclears weapons, because they believe they need to be a strong and powerful nation in the near future in order to help fullfll Islamic prophecy of world domination and conquest. This whole thing for them, is more than just about political wrangling or one-upmanship.

Originally Posted by gladius

Iran's goal is not simply about saving face.

They are developing nuclears weapons, because they believe they need to be a strong and powerful nation in the near future in order to help fullfll Islamic prophecy of world domination and conquest. This whole thing for them, is more than just about political wrangling or one-upmanship.

I second that!

Gladius, is that your opinion or have you seen something somewhere that holds this as fact? Not saying I disagree, just an inquiring mind.

Well mr inquiring mind ...

It's total absolute fact

I talked about this before in my other thread The rising of an Empire and the Future invasion of Europe! If you want details read that.

But here is proof of what I am talking about related to the President of Iran;


Iran leader's messianic end-times mission
Ahmadinejad raises concerns with mystical visions

Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's mystical pre-occupation with the coming of a Shiite Islamic messiah figure – the Mahdi – is raising concerns that a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic could trigger the kind of global conflagration he envisions will set the stage for the end of the world...

He sees his main mission, as he recounted in a Nov. 16 speech in Tehran, as to "pave the path for the glorious reappearance of Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his reappearance."...

All Iran is buzzing about the Mahdi, the 12th imam and the role Iran and Ahmadinejad are playing in his anticipated return. There's a new messiah hotline. There are news agencies especially devoted to the latest developments...

Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West...

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=48225



I've said this before, this is their main agenda and is the real reason their wanting to have nuclear weapons. They want to be a powerful in order to usher in the Mahdi to unite all Islamic countries so they can, maybe a decade or two down the road challenge the West and Invade Europe.

Even now they are preparing for a war they know will happen, while left-wing dominated Europe daydreams about idealism and multi-cuturalism.

Cheers Gladius, most appreciated. I guess I will give that other thread a gander now that it seems to be of interest...