Originally Posted by Supostat

Well, the `armed Americans` won't be key factor keeping America from invading. For example - Chechens, Iraqis and Afghanis also were pretty well armed (national sport of Chechens - shooting competitions from LAWs ) but it didn't help them safe from invasion.

And look what happened!

Anyway I only that as an additional positive in the equation.

Ok, I think I worked out a scenario that could result in an invasion.

Ron Paul is elected to President for two terms, America returns to isolationism. Russia invades Europe, consolidates power as the French and British belly up to Russia following Germany's defeat and realize that no help is coming from an isolationist America. Italy, as always, swears allegiance to the EU but switches sides as hostilities begin. China joins with Russia, nukes Japan, US does nothing because we have an isolationist President. Putin resurrects the Russian Navy from the grave, selectively nukes key American military bases, with mind bullets, and the ensuing human wave of Russian, Euro and Chinese forces overwhelms Washington, Oregon and California. Paul does nothing because the aren't the "real" America anyways and because the yuppy liberals don't believe in guns they are powerless to stop them. Aliens invade, all human life ceases to exist save parts of West Virginia and Kentucky which are converted into Nature Reserves for Humans. Comet hits Earth and destroys all life, except cockroaches which feed on the twinkies that people had been stockpiling for years in case of a nuclear exchange. Allah, Jesus and Moses settle their differences, declare the Flying Spaghetti Monster the one true lord.

The above paragraph is in no way, shape or form an exaggeration.

Very good Damien. There is, of course, a two-word phrase in your post that the western world never considers properly, and the consequences thereof. The chaos would surely hit them like a ton of bricks, although I do not see USA falling nevertheless. The phrase is 'American Isolationism'.

Really enjoyed your Revelations scenario, and you didn't blame Geo W. once!

Originally Posted by Supostat

Well, the `armed Americans` won't be key factor keeping America from invading. For example - Chechens, Iraqis and Afghanis also were pretty well armed (national sport of Chechens - shooting competitions from LAWs ) but it didn't help them safe from invasion.

So the key factor will be both technical advantage (both satellite and missile technologies) and oceans which keeps potential invaders away from America...

I tend to agree I don't believe that an army capable of meeting and defeating the US on the battlefield really gives a flying rats about militias, the local gun hugging nutjob or anyone thats watched Red Dawn more times than was good for them, basically geographical isolation is the strongest security the US has.

I read in a novel once that Imperial Russia had plans to slowly infiltrate the USA by way of migrating Siberians coming in over the Bering Strait. The idea would be that they would gradually move down into central USA and set up shop. Over generations they would gradually outstrip the locals and become the most prominent ethnic group in the US, a giant sleeper cell. I can't be sure how much of this is based on fact but I think the roots of it probably were.

One can also argue that the US is slowly being invaded by large numbers of Latin peoples, for instance via Mexico and Cuba by way of Miami. Indeed, if you go to Miami these days it's hard to find anyone speaking English.

Originally Posted by Doppleganger

I read in a novel once that Imperial Russia had plans to slowly infiltrate the USA by way of migrating Siberians coming in over the Bering Strait. The idea would be that they would gradually move down into central USA and set up shop. Over generations they would gradually outstrip the locals and become the most prominent ethnic group in the US, a giant sleeper cell. I can't be sure how much of this is based on fact but I think the roots of it probably were.

One can also argue that the US is slowly being invaded by large numbers of Latin peoples, for instance via Mexico and Cuba by way of Miami. Indeed, if you go to Miami these days it's hard to find anyone speaking English.

And that brings us back to "Red Dawn"

Hi Ollie . No- first it brings us back to what is happening/has happened in Britain. Ladies and gentlemen - before your very eyes! Victory by population! It's here, it's real - it's what you deserve if you sleep on the watch-towers! Funny almost, - quite unbelievable.

Invasion by population is a legitimate possibility. Part of the reason illegals are despised so much over here is that they aren't making an effort to assimilate into American culture, every other ethnic group over the centuries has made an effort to join the "mainstream" American culture (Irish, Catholics, Germans, Italians, etc.) and each contributed something to the new American culture. The Hispanics of today are going out of their ways not to assimilate and to try and make Americans assimilate into Hispanic culture (Press 1 for English sound familiar?) We're a nation of immigrants, we don't hate immigrants in general, we hate the ones who want to make the locals change their ways. You don't see Americans moving to Jerusalem and demanding that the locals start eating hamburgers and speaking English. (Granted the latter doesn't work so well since English is the most widely spoken language in the world, but you get the point.)

Invading USA would represent a logistic problem in a Biblical scale, it's too big, and too far away.

And what if someone lands an amphibious force on the beaches, they have to face a major traficjam when they try to advance inland, and if they manage to advance inland, they are faced with even more inland...

Not even GWB would have tried something like that!

Originally Posted by Cdt Matteo

Armed people. Not gonna happen.

But how many of said armed people have the guts and the skill to take on soldiers. Apart from texans ofc

Also, what about your ports? a massive invasion (or maybe a not-so-insanely-huge invasion) could come from a country shipping soldiers in 40foot shipping containers. A definite possibility, seeing as how you tend not to have a huge military presence near shipping ports. Hell, it could even come from a private dock.

Example:
Chinese peoples build massive port. They then stick their soldiers inside shipping containers and send them across the sea as "farm equipment". When they arrive at the port, they are taken out of the containers into underground barracks. When the mass is built up, they pour out and raep surroundings, recieving more backup from the now arrived chinese navy, who were on "exercises" near the coast.


Implausible, not impossible.