Rob,
Do you agree that Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds? If you do there has always been the possibility that he had them. Either he bought them or he made them. Saddam was not exactly being cooperative with the inspectors either. Which put the U.S. in a difficult position. I think the russian or french governments had some involvement here (I have no proof, just my gut, so don't ask for a source).

I agree that maybe things could have been handled better. What about Dan Rather and his stories about GWB that were later disproved. I don't think I ever heard about Fox News doing something so egregious.

The topic being the bias of FOX NEWS, what makes for a discussion? It appears that from most all liberal remarks here, that the problem is that FOX is not left leaning like the other news services.

The reason liberals "Hate" FOX NEWS is; it does not conform to their views on how news should be slanted.

I always find it humorous to hear a "compassionate liberal intellectual" comment on how they "Hate someone who's views differ from their own".

Originally Posted by HokieMSG

Rob,
Do you agree that Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds? If you do there has always been the possibility that he had them. Either he bought them or he made them. Saddam was not exactly being cooperative with the inspectors either. Which put the U.S. in a difficult position. I think the russian or french governments had some involvement here (I have no proof, just my gut, so don't ask for a source).

Don't even get me started on this. This entire subject could be the topic of a college course on history and has already been beaten to death several times on this forum previously.

Originally Posted by HokieMSG

I agree that maybe things could have been handled better. What about Dan Rather and his stories about GWB that were later disproved. I don't think I ever heard about Fox News doing something so egregious.

That was absolutely embarrassing for Dan Rather. I laughed my ass off when I found out it was fake. But this is yet another example to support my claim that one should not rely on ONE news program for all one's information.

You see, Hokie, I truly do not hate JUST Fox News. I hate any news organization that presents false information or presents factual information in a biased manner. However, I highly doubt that Fox News has never failed to authenticate a source.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

The topic being the bias of FOX NEWS, what makes for a discussion? It appears that from most all liberal remarks here, that the problem is that FOX is not left leaning like the other news services.

The reason liberals "Hate" FOX NEWS is; it does not conform to their views on how news should be slanted.

I always find it humorous to hear a "compassionate liberal intellectual" comment on how they "Hate someone who's views differ from their own".

That's not true. The reason I dislike Fox News is because they are completely Republican biased. They have no interest in the Democrats views, they have no interest in bipartisanship, they have no interest in listening to anyone else's thoughts on ANYTHING.

You say we liberals are the ones who "hate someone who's views differ from [our] own"... Yet, not only do I find myself not saying that (which is a misquote, which is misinformation... Do you watch Fox, Chuk?), but I find that I have admitted other news organization's faults AND said that I dislike those news organizations as well!

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

You say we liberals are the ones who "hate someone who's views differ from [our] own"... Yet, not only do I find myself not saying that (which is a misquote, which is misinformation... Do you watch Fox, Chuk?),

No, that is not what I said.
I said, "I always find it humorous to hear a "compassionate liberal intellectual" comment on how they "Hate someone who's views differ from their own".

Did not think liberal intellectuals had room for hate?

Liberals claim to be open minded and compassionate. So why do some use the word hate. Isn't that supposed to be what you are against, prejudices.

I know! You hate rednecks, Republicans, and prejudice people! Right on!

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

but I find that I have admitted other news organization's faults AND said that I dislike those news organizations as well!

You might look up some of your old posts, and see if "dislike" is the word you used. In fact, your last post may be the first time I ever read where you used dislike.

In answer to your question, "Do you watch Fox, Chuk?".
No.

I don't know what this is about?
"Yet, not only do I find myself not saying that (which is a misquote, which is misinformation..."

I did not refer to you specfically and did not quote you.

Off topic. The whole damned post. Not one reference to Fox News being biased or not.


... Nice try though.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Off topic. The whole damned post. Not one reference to Fox News being biased or not.


... Nice try though.

I believe you asked me a question and I responded.

In answer to your question, "Do you watch Fox, Chuk?".
No.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

The topic being the bias of FOX NEWS, what makes for a discussion? It appears that from most all liberal remarks here, that the problem is that FOX is not left leaning like the other news services.

The reason liberals "Hate" FOX NEWS is; it does not conform to their views on how news should be slanted.

I always find it humorous to hear a "compassionate liberal intellectual" comment on how they "Hate someone who's views differ from their own".

I disagree, the problem I have with FOX is not that it leans left or right but that tries to direct its information in order to get its viewers to form a specific opinion and that I believe is very dangerous.

One of the reasons I used the Jon Stewart interview earlier is because I agree with his assessment of the problem...
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AND DID NOT HAPPEN SO DON'T ASK FOR "SOURCES":
It is news to say that "Obama attended a youth rally today" but the FOX approach is "Obama attended a youth rally today... You know who else attended youth rallies... HITLER." now they are not calling Obama Hitler but they are drawing parallels.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I disagree, the problem I have with FOX is not that it leans left or right but that tries to direct its information in order to get its viewers to form a specific opinion and that I believe is very dangerous.

Ahh... That is what opinion pieces do, left or right.

What can be frightening is people who don't think about what they hear or read and accept it as fact.

FOX NEWS bias may not be as bad as other news sources. FOX does not hide it's bias or remain low key in slanting their OPINION pieces.

Example of more subtle bias: Rob Henderson saw a interview in Rolling Stone magazine of President George Bush, it gave extremely off the wall answers supposedly attributed to George Bush. Rob was in so much of a hurry to believe it and actually quote it, that he missed the fact it was a piece of satirical fiction.

So biased reporting is a very real and big problem that real news services try and avoid, but don't always.
The LA Times was referred to as Pravda West by the Los Angeles County Sheriff Peter Pitchess, and that was in the 1970s. And it is a left of center newspaper even today(not communist just extremely liberal). So in reading it I consider the source.

Originally Posted by MontyB

One of the reasons I used the Jon Stewart interview earlier is because I agree with his assessment of the problem...
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AND DID NOT HAPPEN SO DON'T ASK FOR "SOURCES":
It is news to say that "Obama attended a youth rally today" but the FOX approach is "Obama attended a youth rally today... You know who else attended youth rallies... HITLER." now they are not calling Obama Hitler but they are drawing parallels.

Well it finally happened, the bane of Topics and forums every where.

HITLER is in the house, whoopee.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

Well it finally happened, the bane of Topics and forums every where.

HITLER is in the house, whoopee.

Tell me you haven't sat through a Glen Beck patriotic sob-fest where the "Nazi's" haven't made an appearance or a Hannity show where the term "liberal" hasn't been followed by a "want you to be afraid of blah blah blah" line.

Lets not try and and invoke Godwin's law in this argument as it is in this case a valid example.

CNN and MSNBC may be just as biased as FOX I wont argue that but the difference is that FOX actively try and direct your opinion through managed story manipulation.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

Ahh... That is what opinion pieces do, left or right.

What can be frightening is people who don't think about what they hear or read and accept it as fact.

FOX NEWS bias may not be as bad as other news sources. FOX does not hide it's bias or remain low key in slanting their OPINION pieces.

Example of more subtle bias: Rob Henderson saw a interview in Rolling Stone magazine of President George Bush, it gave extremely off the wall answers supposedly attributed to George Bush. Rob was in so much of a hurry to believe it and actually quote it, that he missed the fact it was a piece of satirical fiction.

So now you're admitting that Fox News is no more a "news" organization than Rolling Stone magazine? Okay. Thanks. That clears a lot up. Now that I know Fox News isn't ACTUALLY news, it's okay for them to be biased.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

So biased reporting is a very real and big problem that real news services try and avoid, but don't always.
The LA Times was referred to as Pravda West by the Los Angeles County Sheriff Peter Pitchess, and that was in the 1970s. And it is a left of center newspaper even today(not communist just extremely liberal). So in reading it I consider the source.

Real news services? Now, that term doesn't include Fox anymore, does it? Because just up there you compared Fox News to Rolling Stone magazine, and Rolling Stone does NOT consider itself a news source.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

Well it finally happened, the bane of Topics and forums every where.

HITLER is in the house, whoopee.

And because it is another case of Fox News being extraordinarily biased (even outside of its "opinion" segments), you try to draw people's attention away from it.




Despite all this though, Chuk, I can still thank you for posting a more on topic than not post. BRAVO! If all your posts were that diligent in sticking to the topic at hand, we might actually get somewhere in our debates from time to time.