Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

1. Quite honestly, I wouldn't have cared if George W Bush lied under oath if he was a half way decent president/man/homosapien. People LIE every day. If you haven't come to terms with that, you're more naïve than I am.

Doing it under oath is a CRIME. I guess since you think he was a decent guy we can overlook the fact that he BROKE THE LAW and got CAUGHT.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

2. Because he has the ability to predict the future. The market was good, there was no reason for them to NOT make those loans. While this is a rather severe case, this is still just the ebb and flow of an economic market.

He made Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do it because no regular bank would touch these folks. Maybe there is a reason for that. You obviously have no concept of economics because you called this current economic crisis as "normal ebb and flow". Wow. I can't even begin to answer that.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

3. I'd rather take NO action than take the WRONG action. Seeing as how the WRONG action (invading the wrong FRIGGIN' COUNTRY) has led to the unnecessary deaths of COUNTLESS men and women both in the United States military and the militaries of those FEW countries who decided the US was worth at least ATTEMPTING to help.

So his omission cost the lives of 3000 Americans. Which precipitated the events leading to the invasion. But I guess you probably think we deserved it too.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

I wish the other side of the aisle would give me something to praise. I wait with bated breath for the day when I can say, "He/She's got that right." about a conservative. I fear I will die before that day comes.

Open your eyes. There are good things happening on both sides of the aisle. You just hate conservatives so much you can't see it.

Originally Posted by HokieMSG

Doing it under oath is a CRIME. I guess since you think he was a decent guy we can overlook the fact that he BROKE THE LAW and got CAUGHT.

Hokie, before pointing out the speck in your neighbors eye, be sure to remove the plank from your own. Or perhaps you like "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" metaphor. Have you ever lied before? Lying is a SIN. Would you rather be a criminal or a SINNER?!?!? WHOOOOOOHHHHH. Laws are broken every day. Are these people prosecuted for it? NO. Lying about a blowjob is NOT a big deal comparatively. How about fabricating a story about Weapons of Mass Destruction to justify invading a country?!!?!?! WHERE'S THE CRIMINAL TRIAL FOR GEORGE ****ING BUSH!?

GAHH!! You conservatives are so OBLIVIOUS to the crimes of your own people that you completely ignore historical facts just because they point to your side looking like a bunch of closed minded, ignorant, power-hungry *******S who have no concern for anyone but themselves!

Originally Posted by HokieMSG

He made Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do it because no regular bank would touch these folks. Maybe there is a reason for that. You obviously have no concept of economics because you called this current economic crisis as "normal ebb and flow". Wow. I can't even begin to answer that.

Which amounts to the exact amount of a hill of beans. GREAT REBUTTLE.

Originally Posted by HokieMSG

So his omission cost the lives of 3000 Americans. Which precipitated the events leading to the invasion. But I guess you probably think we deserved it too.

Perhaps you failed basic mathematics, but if you take the number of people who died on September 11th and compare it to the number of (just American, mind you) soldiers we have lost in the Global War on Terror b******t that King George has put us through, the GWOT wins out... SUBSTANTIALLY. And what's the worst part of all of it? WE STILL HAVEN'T CAUGHT THE BASTARD.

Originally Posted by HokieMSG

Open your eyes. There are good things happening on both sides of the aisle. You just hate conservatives so much you can't see it.

Yet you fail to list ONE EXAMPLE. That's VERY comforting.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Hokie, before pointing out the speck in your neighbors eye, be sure to remove the plank from your own. Or perhaps you like "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" metaphor. Have you ever lied before? Lying is a SIN. Would you rather be a criminal or a SINNER?!?!? WHOOOOOOHHHHH. Laws are broken every day. Are these people prosecuted for it? NO. Lying about a blowjob is NOT a big deal comparatively. How about fabricating a story about Weapons of Mass Destruction to justify invading a country?!!?!?! WHERE'S THE CRIMINAL TRIAL FOR GEORGE ****ING BUSH!?

GAHH!! You conservatives are so OBLIVIOUS to the crimes of your own people that you completely ignore historical facts just because they point to your side looking like a bunch of closed minded, ignorant, power-hungry *******S who have no concern for anyone but themselves!
Which amounts to the exact amount of a hill of beans. GREAT REBUTTLE.
Perhaps you failed basic mathematics, but if you take the number of people who died on September 11th and compare it to the number of (just American, mind you) soldiers we have lost in the Global War on Terror b******t that King George has put us through, the GWOT wins out... SUBSTANTIALLY. And what's the worst part of all of it? WE STILL HAVEN'T CAUGHT THE BASTARD.
Yet you fail to list ONE EXAMPLE. That's VERY comforting.

Has Hokie lied under Oath? big difference. As far as the hill of beans, yes it's big. Clinton Admin, under pressure from ACORN, forced banks to reduce Standards for loans. Huge numbers got loans that couldn't afford them & that's why we had the housing meltdown. McCain & others tried to fix the problem only to be denounced as Racists by Barney Frank & the Dems blocked any fix. Interesting how Frank blamed the Reps in the last election for a problem he was elemental in. Iraq used WMDs against the Kurds & Iranians. What happened to them is a mystery. Osama got away when cornered because the Army didn't send in even the troops available, muchless bringing in the 10th or 82nd when he was cornered.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Hokie, before pointing out the speck in your neighbors eye, be sure to remove the plank from your own. Or perhaps you like "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" metaphor. Have you ever lied before? Lying is a SIN. Would you rather be a criminal or a SINNER?!?!? WHOOOOOOHHHHH. Laws are broken every day. Are these people prosecuted for it? NO. Lying about a blowjob is NOT a big deal comparatively. How about fabricating a story about Weapons of Mass Destruction to justify invading a country?!!?!?! WHERE'S THE CRIMINAL TRIAL FOR GEORGE ****ING BUSH!?

Originally Posted by George

Has Hokie lied under Oath? big difference. As far as the hill of beans, yes it's big. Clinton Admin, under pressure from ACORN, forced banks to reduce Standards for loans.

George it is obvious that Rob believes lying is a completely normal everyday occurrence. It may well be where our society is headed. He is naive in believing everyone lies. He will not accept that their are honest people.

He tries to justify lying by pointing at others. He does not understand that most people would want any politician caught lying, to be removed from office regardless of party. It is not a Republican vs Democrat issue.

As for the news part, I'm more in agreement with mmarsh. As with the Clinton stuff, I believe HokieMSG is correct. He did lie under oath. His actions damaged the reputation and security of the United States.

Originally Posted by George

Has Hokie lied under Oath? big difference. As far as the hill of beans, yes it's big. Clinton Admin, under pressure from ACORN, forced banks to reduce Standards for loans. Huge numbers got loans that couldn't afford them & that's why we had the housing meltdown. McCain & others tried to fix the problem only to be denounced as Racists by Barney Frank & the Dems blocked any fix. Interesting how Frank blamed the Reps in the last election for a problem he was elemental in. Iraq used WMDs against the Kurds & Iranians. What happened to them is a mystery. Osama got away when cornered because the Army didn't send in even the troops available, muchless bringing in the 10th or 82nd when he was cornered.

Ah, so it's okay to lie as long as we promise not to? LOL. George, how many times have promises been broken in the world? What if Clinton was an Atheist? Does the phrase "So help me God" really mean anything to him?

WMDs were still not the reason we invaded the Middle East. We invaded the Middle East to search and destroy Osama Bin Laden. George Bush II took the opportunity to settle a grudge that his father had with Sadam Hussein. Anything else you say about our intentions to invade Iraq is a LIE.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

George it is obvious that Rob believes lying is a completely normal everyday occurrence. It may well be where our society is headed. He is naive in believing everyone lies. He will not accept that their are honest people.

Chukpike, you CANNOT tell me 100% truthfully that you have never lied in your life. That itself is a lie. There are people who are more honest than not, but no one has told the entire truth and nothing but the truth for their entire lives. They do not exist. I guarantee it.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

He tries to justify lying by pointing at others. He does not understand that most people would want any politician caught lying, to be removed from office regardless of party. It is not a Republican vs Democrat issue.

Again, do you believe that politicians tell the whole truth 100% of the time (Republican or Democrat, you made it a party issue, not me)?

Because if that's the case, you need to be put into a home. You're going senile on us.

Comments by all are straying far from the Topic of the thread which is " Is Fox NEWS biased". Please stick to the topic @ hand.

Originally Posted by tomtom22

Comments by all are straying far from the Topic of the thread which is " Is Fox NEWS biased". Please stick to the topic @ hand.

Actually, that is not the topic.

The article is about possible Presidential candidates not being available on an equal access basis to networks other than Fox. Because they have contracts with FOX and must get permission to talk to other media.

It is not the big deal this article tries to paint. When they announce their candidacy the will have to end their connection to Fox, as the article says:

"Fox, in an e-mail to POLITICO, indicated that once any of the candidates declares for the presidency he or she will have to sever the deal with the network."

It should also be noted that the article is an opinion piece and not straight news. While the article was linked to Yahoo News it came from POLITICO.

http://www.politico.com/

Originally Posted by George

Actually we say the same about NBC, CBS, ABC , CNN, MSNBC. They are all Lib biased. They might not be blantant, sometimes they are. Somertimes they slip little negative words into a comment that would ghave positive little words if it had been about a Lib. a positive spin on the 5% unemployment when clinton seeked reelection & negative spin on Bush's 5% when he ran for reelection. Amazing how Libs whine about the only channel they don't controll vs all the ones they do. Just drives em nuts not having every one. What network did Steponopolis to to directly from the White House?

No they really aren't. The problem with the conservatives is that they have very thin skin, anytime the media is slightly critical of a conservative its obviously the result of media bias. Not that perhaps conservatives might have done something bad. If the media points out Clinton created 40 Million jobs and Bush only created 2 Million thats called a FACT and not bias. Dont like the anology? run better candidates.

Let me show you what is BIAS.

1. Manipulating facts. For example labeling unpopular Republican politicans in the hot seat as Democrats to try and shift blame. As you see here: For get the text look at the photo. None of the other channals do this

http://mediamatters.org/research/200610130010

2. Using GOP talking points as actual News

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_165720.html

4. Only Allowing one sided representation of a story. Do not allow the other side a fair chance to respond by interrupting, baiting, quickly changing the topic, feign technical difficulties, or if you are really desperate to silence the opposition cut off the mic.

I know you probably don't watch much Olberman or Maddow but if you did you'd see how they regularly they BLAST the democrats and the White House. Which brings up another bias, the extreme rarity of FOX to actual criticize the GOP.

WOW.
That is really, really bad...