Topic: "Inside the M1." (XM1,M1,M1A1,M1A2,M1A2 SEP,M1Griz 3

Pete031 · February 8th, 2005

I am not a tanker, but I was an anti armor gunner for a while and everyone in the infantry does armored fighting vehicle recognition and stuff like that... I'm not sure that having a smoothbore or rifled cannon on a tank matters all that much these days with devices such as muzzle reference systems.

Kozzy Mozzy · February 8th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Pete031

I am not a tanker, but I was an anti armor gunner for a while and everyone in the infantry does armored fighting vehicle recognition and stuff like that... I'm not sure that having a smoothbore or rifled cannon on a tank matters all that much these days with devices such as muzzle reference systems.

I don't think a rifled guns muzzle droop is anymore then a smoothbores, that only matters if a gun is longer. Early L55 guns had such a bad muzzle droop problems that the gun would be ruined.

FO Seaman · February 8th, 2005

Well, if you want to fire a 120mm APFSDS round and you have a rifled 120mm your out of luck.

The British have a 120mm rifled gun and we have 120mm Smothbore we fire HEAT, Sabot, MPAT, and STAFF.

They fire HESH and I forget the rest.

Well smoothbores have a higher velocity.

Kozzy Mozzy · February 8th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Cadet Airman Adam Seaman

Well, if you want to fire a 120mm APFSDS round and you have a rifled 120mm your out of luck.

The British have a 120mm rifled gun and we have 120mm Smothbore we fire HEAT, Sabot, MPAT, and STAFF.

They fire HESH and I forget the rest.

Well smoothbores have a higher velocity.

The have the CHARM3 and 30 which are APFSDS rounds.

SHERMAN · February 8th, 2005

also, until the 120mm smoothbore came along, all western tanks used the british 105mm L7 or a similar USA 105mm, and those were rifled. The brits had a 120mm first, and it was the L11 120mm rifled on the Chieftain. So really, if they can shoot APFSDS(like Kozzy Mozzy said), they have no reason to change their main guns. The Americans chose a German main weapon, after they decided to put 120mm on their tanks. I dont know why. anyone knows?

Pete031 · February 8th, 2005

I'm not sure but I heard that The Challenger has a naval canon as its main armament.... Can anyone confirm?

Missileer · February 8th, 2005

Here is an email I received today about a contract to upgrade the M1A1. About time.

NCS to Equip USMC Tanks with
New Night-Vision Sensors
NCS won a $32.5 million contract to equip
the U.S. Marines’ M1A1 tank with Firepower
Enhancement Program sensor kits.
The Firepower Enhancement Program
is a suite of upgrades for the M1A1 tank
that is unique to the Marine Corps and will
eventually equip its entire fleet of M1A1
tanks.
The FEP sensor kits will improve the Marines’
ability to engage targets accurately, 24/7,
in all weather conditions and at extended
ranges.
“Giving our troops the ability to ‘shoot the
enemy before he knows you’re there’ is one
way we can help them come home safely,”
said a Combat Systems VP.
A 1st Marine Division M1A1 Abrams tank crew settles in for the evening during a patrol
in Iraq. (picture)

Kozzy Mozzy · February 8th, 2005

Speaking of USMC M1A1s, does anyone know anything about the infrared countermeasure device on the top of the turret that was deployed on some M1A1s in OIF?

FO Seaman · February 10th, 2005

Yes. The smoke has chaff (small peices of tin foil) that interupt the signature and allow the M1 to make a get away.

Also we chose the german gun because we fire APFSDS-T rounds at a much higher velocity.

The British use DUKEC (Depleted Uranium Kinetic Energy Cartridges) not APFSDS rounds.

The M1 had the M68A1 Rifled Gun the M1A1/A1 have the M256 Smoothbore Gun.

Just a picture of the T28 from 1945. T28 Super Heavy Tank. American tank.

MadeInChina · February 10th, 2005

id say a 125mm smoothbore missile/art launcher

you can fire sabot and missiles, very effective

February 8th, 2005	Post 23
FO Seaman Tribuni Angusticlavii Gear	Well, if you want to fire a 120mm APFSDS round and you have a rifled 120mm your out of luck. The British have a 120mm rifled gun and we have 120mm Smothbore we fire HEAT, Sabot, MPAT, and STAFF. They fire HESH and I forget the rest. Well smoothbores have a higher velocity. __________________

February 8th, 2005	Post 25
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	also, until the 120mm smoothbore came along, all western tanks used the british 105mm L7 or a similar USA 105mm, and those were rifled. The brits had a 120mm first, and it was the L11 120mm rifled on the Chieftain. So really, if they can shoot APFSDS(like Kozzy Mozzy said), they have no reason to change their main guns. The Americans chose a German main weapon, after they decided to put 120mm on their tanks. I dont know why. anyone knows? __________________

February 8th, 2005	Post 27
Missileer Nuclear Duck Hunter Gear	Here is an email I received today about a contract to upgrade the M1A1. About time. NCS to Equip USMC Tanks with New Night-Vision Sensors NCS won a $32.5 million contract to equip the U.S. Marines’ M1A1 tank with Firepower Enhancement Program sensor kits. The Firepower Enhancement Program is a suite of upgrades for the M1A1 tank that is unique to the Marine Corps and will eventually equip its entire fleet of M1A1 tanks. The FEP sensor kits will improve the Marines’ ability to engage targets accurately, 24/7, in all weather conditions and at extended ranges. “Giving our troops the ability to ‘shoot the enemy before he knows you’re there’ is one way we can help them come home safely,” said a Combat Systems VP. A 1st Marine Division M1A1 Abrams tank crew settles in for the evening during a patrol in Iraq. (picture) __________________ “War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” —John Stuart Mill

February 10th, 2005	Post 30
MadeInChina Primus Pilus	id say a 125mm smoothbore missile/art launcher you can fire sabot and missiles, very effective __________________ A signature is a little text that can be added at the bottom of the posts you make. It\'s limited to 300 characters (size 7 to 12) on 5 line(s) and 1 image(s) with none larger than 100x500 pixels and for a maximum of 20Kb. In your text, no more than 100 characters without space too.

February 8th, 2005	Post 21
Pete031 Centurion Gear	I am not a tanker, but I was an anti armor gunner for a while and everyone in the infantry does armored fighting vehicle recognition and stuff like that... I'm not sure that having a smoothbore or rifled cannon on a tank matters all that much these days with devices such as muzzle reference systems.

February 8th, 2005	Post 26
Pete031 Centurion Gear	I'm not sure but I heard that The Challenger has a naval canon as its main armament.... Can anyone confirm?

February 8th, 2005	Post 28
Kozzy Mozzy Centurion	Speaking of USMC M1A1s, does anyone know anything about the infrared countermeasure device on the top of the turret that was deployed on some M1A1s in OIF?

February 10th, 2005	Post 29
FO Seaman Tribuni Angusticlavii Gear	Yes. The smoke has chaff (small peices of tin foil) that interupt the signature and allow the M1 to make a get away. Also we chose the german gun because we fire APFSDS-T rounds at a much higher velocity. The British use DUKEC (Depleted Uranium Kinetic Energy Cartridges) not APFSDS rounds. The M1 had the M68A1 Rifled Gun the M1A1/A1 have the M256 Smoothbore Gun. Just a picture of the T28 from 1945. T28 Super Heavy Tank. American tank.