Right on distinguishing them as "Ecoterrorists", but I'm not debating about ecoterrorism here.

Originally Posted by Kane

Right on distinguishing them as "Ecoterrorists", but I'm not debating about ecoterrorism here.

i'm sorry, maybe i'm confused. i realize the thread is not about ecoterrorism, but they are domestic terrorists, which relates to the threat of an attack in the US. but i didn't realize there was a distinction between an ecoterrorist and a "normal" terrorist. if i'm understanding you right, being part of an ecoterrorist group means they aren't terrorists? i'd like to pardon myself if i misunderstood you.

This has been a very productive discussion.

if i'm understanding you right, being part of an ecoterrorist group means they aren't terrorists? i'd like to pardon myself if i misunderstood you.

Yes I do think ecoterrorists are terrorists. But, based on my earlier argument, domestic terrorist groups are always dangerous and I think that no one should believe that it's not much of a concern.

Originally Posted by EuroSpike

The only socialistic thing i accept is free education. As an university student i live like a king and almost anything costs nothing. Plus of course lot of free time, partys, hobbies, taking easy and other stuff i like and sometimes working with a good salary and low tax rate

In USA: No money -> no education -> poor 4 ever.
In Europe No money -> education anyway -> lot of money and good international career possiblities -> more money

Ah! The old utopia idea, everything for nothing. I haven't heard that one since Joe Stalin died.

Originally Posted by Paddster

Lol, the 560 Million Europeans are all being claimed to be 'Liberal' and 'weak' and 'pacifists'.

This is all because the whole of Europe did not jump in the Iraq war.

First of all I am not insulted by being called a Liberal, but anyhow, there are two sides to every argument, and a good and a bad side to every decision.

I believe that to solve for example bullies in school you should never ignore them, but stand up to them, they'll soon run and hide.
This is exactly what the US and the Coalition are doing at the moment, standing up to the bully, and slowly but surely he is running and hiding.

It is a difficult situation in Iraq, and there is no wrong or right answer, and don't be taking the attitude that ALL Europeans are xyz because they didn't invade Iraq; if there was a major threat of war, Europe would fight back.

Heres something for you, My dad (who is British) said he believes America are fighting the right cause, and he said he'd proudly die for America, lol, as he believes Americans would do the same for Britian.

Personally I am going to make a 'phrophecy' lol:

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The USA will get into a large scale war, it will struggle and fight a war on two fronts. The USA will slowly die by this.

Some Americans claim 'they saved Europes ass in WW2'; I believe in this war Europe will return the favour.

But anyway, whatever point I've made, I've made it.

Sorry to go off topic.

Well, I think homeland defense will be pretty sophistocated soon and it will be almost impossible to get a nuke to us. The terrorists don't hate us because we're American, they hate us because we are not muslim. That pretty well leaves you as a soft target. As long as your alert levels remain : 1.SURRENDER 2.COLLABORATE 3.RUN 4.HIDE

Originally Posted by Kane

Yes I do think ecoterrorists are terrorists. But, based on my earlier argument, domestic terrorist groups are always dangerous and I think that no one should believe that it's not much of a concern.

at no point did i say they weren't a concern. but you plainly said that groups like the ALF weren't terrorists but were arsonists. i took that as you downplaying the fact that they were terrorists. then you contradicted yourself by saying they were ecoterrorists later.

i called them backdoor terrorists because they are already here in the US and aren't on the minds of the American people. if you were to ask anyone who the ALF is, then ask the same person who al-Qaeda is, you will understand. i wasn't trying to downplay them at all. i merely pointed out examples of domestic terrorists in the US already.

about hitting american nuclear reactors. anyone seen the quassam missiles? they probably arnt hard to build. and have a range of 5 miles +

also i dont mean "all europe" "all european people"... im just tired of spending whole paragraphs making sure my thoughts dont go out of context for anyone, and hope that people understand what i mean... i mean the leadership of country's like france and germany. and then those who voted them in.

+ europe will never save the US...

rocco wrote:

i mean the leadership of country's like france and germany. and then those who voted them in.

+ europe will never save the US...

Right on spot rocco no question about it.


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I agree here Europe will never save the US, instead once again sometime in the future the US will save Europe, just like in WWII. If the US falls to a foriegn enemy, it will be the end of democracy as we know it, it will only be a matter of time before the rest of the free world falls.

Originally Posted by Paddster

Personally I am going to make a 'phrophecy' lol:

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The USA will get into a large scale war, it will struggle and fight a war on two fronts. The USA will slowly die by this.

Some Americans claim 'they saved Europes ass in WW2'; I believe in this war Europe will return the favour.

But anyway, whatever point I've made, I've made it.

Sorry to go off topic.

Unfortunately for your prophesying abilities, two sources, both well respected in certain circles, both with proven track records (the Bible & Nostradamus) say the opposite of what you are saying. Europe will be invaded, and it will be bloody.

The European liberal daydream of a perfect society, where everyone gets along, will turn into a nightmare of their own making. Their policies toward imigration, if it goes unchecked, will cause so much political pressure to themselves in the future, as to make this invasion possible.

If terrorist groups detonated a nuke in major US city...

As long as Bush is in office, no country (even Syria, Iran and those like it) will give or support terrorist acquiring a nuclear weapon. If they do the US will nuke their whole country. They know the consequense of this from seeing Afganistan and Iraq. In fact no country right no will openly support any terrorist to attack the USA (even a conventional one) for fear that Bush will invade them. I'm willing to bet that those countries have even stopped some terrorist from going into the US because of this. Instead, those terrorist and fanatics have gone to Iraq to fight.

Europe will be invaded, and it will be bloody

europe is already under invasion, so far its mildly bloody. just wait till the situation is in favour of those who want to destroy europe, then the game really begins.