Topic: IDF AFVs?

SHERMAN · October 10th, 2004

I know you guys are going to laugh at me...But I have a Q about Israel....More of asking your opinion....Why dose the IDF have no Infantry AFVs? We have alot of APCs, some of the best you can get...But nothing of the Bradly kind of vehicles...Why is that?

the_13th_redneck · October 10th, 2004

Maybe they think they'd rather have 1 tank, than 4 AFVs.

ravensword227 · October 10th, 2004

While the Merkava tank has excellent overwatch and MOUT capabilities, there is just no way to replace a good AFV. AFVs are highly mobile, can be retrofitted with a variety of weapons (see: M6 Bradley Linebacker SFV and FIST M7 Bradley). They are excellent in maneuver warfare and are unpredictable (it is hard to assess which IFV has MANPADs or personnel ATGMs). It is the U.S. Army SOP to send the BFV in before the tanks in city warfare, and it has proved successful, insofar as to demand faster and better AFVs like the Stryker.

That said, I don’t have the slightest idea why Israel doesn’t have AFVs. The tactic of combined arms is a successful one.

Kozzy Mozzy · October 11th, 2004

AFV stands for Armored Fighting Vehicle, which is a generic term for any kind of combat vehicle. You are asking why Israel doesn't field any Infantry Fighting Vehicles, or IFVs. They have plenty of Armored Personal Carriers though.

It's because the Merkava accomplishes the job just fine.

And the Styker wasn't adopted for it's urban combat abilities, which aren't greater then the Bradley. But because they needed a C-130 portable vehicle, which they didn't get.

rocco · October 21st, 2004

dont IDF apc's double as IFV?

check out those APC's, they have a number of machine guns mounted on them

SHERMAN · October 21st, 2004

Yes, but they make very poor IFVs....You need a bigger gun...Like the Bradly or BMP....

godofthunder9010 · October 21st, 2004

MBT's are lovely and powerful, but tanks like the Bradley --- combining lots of capabilities into one single, highly adapable vehicle --- is going to be increasingly important as time goes on. I do find it VERY puzzling that IDF doen't have any.

SAINT · October 21st, 2004

Probably it's dangerous to have missile launchers hanging out on armored vehicles in a place where the Army has to deal with rioters throwing stones at the armored vehicles.

Those stones may damage the missile tubes, I suppose?

SHERMAN · October 21st, 2004

LOL....I dont know about the need for AT missiles on them, but at least a 25 or 30 mm cannon...

SAINT · October 21st, 2004

Probably if these armored vehicles with 25mm or 30mm guns have to deal with rioters armed with stones, it's not going to look too good on the TV news.

It'll be like bullying.

October 10th, 2004	Post 1
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	Post; IDF AFVs? I know you guys are going to laugh at me...But I have a Q about Israel....More of asking your opinion....Why dose the IDF have no Infantry AFVs? We have alot of APCs, some of the best you can get...But nothing of the Bradly kind of vehicles...Why is that? __________________

October 10th, 2004	Post 2
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	Maybe they think they'd rather have 1 tank, than 4 AFVs. __________________ I don't exist. TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSTITUTED Next time you travel http://www.epictrip.com

October 11th, 2004	Post 4
Kozzy Mozzy Centurion	AFV stands for Armored Fighting Vehicle, which is a generic term for any kind of combat vehicle. You are asking why Israel doesn't field any Infantry Fighting Vehicles, or IFVs. They have plenty of Armored Personal Carriers though. It's because the Merkava accomplishes the job just fine. And the Styker wasn't adopted for it's urban combat abilities, which aren't greater then the Bradley. But because they needed a C-130 portable vehicle, which they didn't get. __________________ Ahh...the AK-47, when you absolutely, positively have to kill every last motherf*cker in the room...accept no substitute -Samuel L.

October 21st, 2004	Post 7
godofthunder9010 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	MBT's are lovely and powerful, but tanks like the Bradley --- combining lots of capabilities into one single, highly adapable vehicle --- is going to be increasingly important as time goes on. I do find it VERY puzzling that IDF doen't have any. __________________ "It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - General Robert E. Lee Warning, critical pebkac error in the iD10t!! pebkac\wtflolurpwnzd\snafuroflmao.exe called iD10t, iD10t failed to respond!! System in danger!! "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man." -Chevy Chase

October 21st, 2004	Post 8
SAINT Centurion	Probably it's dangerous to have missile launchers hanging out on armored vehicles in a place where the Army has to deal with rioters throwing stones at the armored vehicles. Those stones may damage the missile tubes, I suppose? __________________ WHY IN THE WORLD DO WE NEED TO FIGHT SO OFTEN? HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THE BABIES?

October 10th, 2004	Post 3
ravensword227 Optio	While the Merkava tank has excellent overwatch and MOUT capabilities, there is just no way to replace a good AFV. AFVs are highly mobile, can be retrofitted with a variety of weapons (see: M6 Bradley Linebacker SFV and FIST M7 Bradley). They are excellent in maneuver warfare and are unpredictable (it is hard to assess which IFV has MANPADs or personnel ATGMs). It is the U.S. Army SOP to send the BFV in before the tanks in city warfare, and it has proved successful, insofar as to demand faster and better AFVs like the Stryker. That said, I don’t have the slightest idea why Israel doesn’t have AFVs. The tactic of combined arms is a successful one.

October 21st, 2004	Post 5
rocco Centurion	dont IDF apc's double as IFV? check out those APC's, they have a number of machine guns mounted on them

October 21st, 2004	Post 6
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	Yes, but they make very poor IFVs....You need a bigger gun...Like the Bradly or BMP....

October 21st, 2004	Post 9
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	LOL....I dont know about the need for AT missiles on them, but at least a 25 or 30 mm cannon...

October 21st, 2004	Post 10
SAINT Centurion	Probably if these armored vehicles with 25mm or 30mm guns have to deal with rioters armed with stones, it's not going to look too good on the TV news. It'll be like bullying.

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