The big four that always get mentioned are the M1A2 abrams/challenger 2/leo 2/ merkava 4. No doubt they are all top of the line. I was wondering how you guys thought these other modern MBTs stacked up.

Type 99 (China's newest tank) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99
M-95 Degman (Croatia's latest) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-95_Degman
Leclerc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leclerc
Arjun (India) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_%28tank%29
Ariete (Italy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariete
Type 90 (Japan) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90
PT-91 Twardy (Poland) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-91
K1/K2 (South Korea) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K1_Type_88 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther
P'okpoong-Ho (North Korea) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%27okpoong-Ho

The K2 is appearantly going to be world class. The Leclerc is also a first rate tank. Some of the rest are decent although the NK tank is somewhat of a mystery and I doubt its even up to T-80 standards.

I haven't got a clue as to why K1 and K2 are lumped together.
The gap is pretty big.
They even do it with the K1 SMG and K2 Rifle. They're not even based on each other yet people lump them together a lot.
We'll have to see about the K2. So far it's very encouraging but only once it's fully operational will people know how good it really is. Then again, if it's never involved in an actual conflict, there will be no real way of knowing either.

What about the M-2001? Its the sickest.

says there that the degman aoutu loader loads 9 shels per mnute-now i havent been in a tank....yet....so i want to know how fast can a hnuman loader load 9 shells.

andabout the tanks,well im sure they are morre than worthy to meat any of the Big-4 on the open field,we just need to see how good they will do.
remember that all the Big-4 actaully seen action and the others have not,that is what makes the the big-4,lets wait for the next big 1

Seriously, the Serbian M-84AS deserves a mention as an upcoming wunderpanzer [Lol], so does the Degman and a fair few of the others mentioned.


Seriously though, the M-84AS does deserve a hearty mention. IMHO it should be able to compete pretty well with any modern tank in service.

u are quite zelous u know?

Uh-huh, possibly.

As Elad put it with out noticing, some of them are indeed meat for the more advanced 6. I count 6- M1A2, Leopard 2, Challenger 2, Merkava Mk IV, Leclerc, T-90.

And Elad human loader can load around 12 rounds per minute. Maybe 15 if he is really good and really really pupmed up. It also depends on the tanks way of ammo storage.

From those, for what I know only can say about the Leclerc and Japan's Type 90 could be with the "Big 4", french one is a very fast tank, and what to say about japanese tech...

Don't know very much about the other, but K2 turret armor don't looks enough inclinate to withstand impacts...