About Hiroshima debate? Page 11
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I would like to propose one particular reason that the dropping of the two Atom Bombs was, in retrospect, perhaps not such a great thing: Hiroshima and Nagasaki have provided the ultimate bloody shirt for the Japanese to wave all over the place. To this day, the Japanese hold the claims of their tens of millions of victims in utter contempt, they have used the deathtoll of less than half a million in the Atomic blasts and called themselves the real victims, and calling all accusers liars. The Japanese did not just kill tens of millions as an unfortunate side-effect of war. They executed and murdered them in the most brutal fashion they could manage. Those murders were ordered by the Japanese government at the highest levels. They did not just rape women when a few bad soldiers went off on their own to 'partake the spoils of war.' No, the highest levels of command in the Japanese Army organized the kidnapping and enslavement of over 20,000 non-Japanese women who were very often raped up to 40 times per day, nonstop for many years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
The Japanese made sport of bayonetting babies at Nanking for hellsake. And they have the audacity to hide behind Hiroshima and Nagasaki, telling the world that they are the real victims. When it comes to admitting their mistakes from World War II, Japan absolutely refuses to grow up and be responsible. To whatever degree Hiroshima and Nagasaki enable them to be so irresponsible ... I suppose that makes the two Atom Bombs a bad thing in a big way. Germany did not hide from its past, but the Atom Bomb gave Japan a ready made excuse.
"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."
- General Robert E. Lee
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"It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man." -Chevy Chase
|August 10th, 2005||#102|
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In the heat of battle, some terrible things were done on both sides. But that was the way it was. Ordinary people were brutalized by their experiences.
Of course you know all this already.
Most of this is off topic. Should continue this under another heading.
|August 10th, 2005||#103|
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“The waves of the ocean arrives before to this mountain than the romans´ arms”
Corocotta, Cantabrian warrior (century I B.C)
|August 10th, 2005||#104|
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Corocotta........If the residue of radiation is so bad around Hiroshima & Nagasaki then why are they still building around these sites. Have you seen any of the research done on the surrounding radiation or have you just thrown this in to help support your argument
LeEnfield Rides again
|August 10th, 2005||#105|
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But don´t you see a few differences btw a nuke and conventional weapons? Come on!
|August 10th, 2005||#106|
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|August 10th, 2005||#107|
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Was it vengeance or was it self preservation, back in those you had make sure the buggers were dead, or they would jump up and come at you again. Like some other people toady they felt there only path into heaven was to die on the battlefield. After a number of Allied soldiers had been killed by Japanese pretending to surrender,a much firmer line was taken. Then just how do you expect them to react. It was a time when the old slogan held true, the only good Japanese is a dead one. Just have look at the numbers of prisoners taken on some of these islands, they did not want to surrender they wanted to fight to the last and this is just what they did. Next thing you will be saying the Kamikaze pilots were actual on their way to surrender when they were either shot down or crashed on landing
|August 10th, 2005||#108|
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I only stated that vengeance played a part, but not by far the more important part. I did say that it was, as you suggest LeEnfield, that saving lives was paramount. Next most important was sending a message to the Russians. Vengeance came after that and not, as I also stated, for the sake of killing. Vengeance played a role in that Pearl Harbor, Singapore, Manila, and yes, Nanking as well had all come before. A ruthless bloodthirsty enemy gets short consideration when it comes right down to it.
|August 10th, 2005||#109|
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America like Britain having got into a war that was forced upon them, main aim was to pursue all aspects of this conflict to bring about a satisfactory conclusion, and if this meant taking drastic action to win this war then so be it. Most men killed to protect them selfs, there pals, and to win. They also knew in the Pacific campaign after a very short while that they would be shown little mercy if the surrendered.
|August 10th, 2005||#110|
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There are three major factors that conclude the use of Atom Bomb over Japan in WWII:
- The huge risk involved in conventional invasion of Japan by US forces as Japanese were well known for their stubborn resistance during fighting on ground. And this meant that huge number of Man-power would be lost in the invasion process.
- The projection of power to Soviet Union.
- Japanese leader "Suzuki's" decision of not to surrender even after the defeat. This perception is widely used by US Media to justify the act of use of Atomic Bombs.
Also do note that this decision was made by President Harry S. Truman and it might be possible that he had a harsher perception about armed conflicts.