do you even know what is a recession?
recession is when over two quarters of consecutive falling of GDP..

I may be wrong but I do beleive we were techincally in a recession for a point of time.

and here comes Bush, tax cuts for the super rich and bankrupt the
nation

Yeh tax cuts for those who provide the jobs, always a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Rabs

I may be wrong but I do beleive we were techincally in a recession for a point of time.


Yeh tax cuts for those who provide the jobs, always a bad idea.

1. Recession, again, is a consecutive two quarter falling of GDP, means economy is going downhill

2. the basis of tax cuts is to not bankrupt the government, since we were not in a time of recession, we should stay in a balanced budget, deficit spending is for economic depression, which is when there is long time of recession

even i belevie president bush has been doing right .

Bush is a good guy overall, but I think he should really think of hiring more capable people for his administratoin, people like Rumsfield should be kicked out righ away

1) Aftermath of 9/11.

- Took a whole what, three weeks for Bush to put together a force to invade Afghanistan? I'd say that's pretty good, especially when one considers that we had to move everything through some nations that have little love for America. (Pakistan most notably.)

2) War in Iraq.

- The war itself was handled very well, but America's military is not built to occupy a nation, it's built and trained to blow **** up, not committing enough troops to Iraq was a problem, that can be blaimed as much on the average Joe as Bush. All this bitching about guardsmen who joined the military and never expected to go to war so they just didn't show up when activated. (Yes, I am very much against the National Guard system we have, the name mostly, it's deceiving.)

3) War on terrorism.

- Well, we will never really know if this war was successful, only if it fails will we find out how well it worked out, or didn't.

4) Policies affecting Afghanistan.

- Would this be referring to the fact that America can't fix the problems in the middle east and perhaps our best option is to let everyone just kill each other over there? Europe was doing the same thing six hundred years.

5 Tax cuts for the very richest groups.

- Well, all the other groups too, I am far from the very richest but I received a refund, my parents too.

6) Stance on Patriot Act.

- The Patriot Act will be the most valuable tool in preventing another 9/11 and some Americans will have to realize that computer analysis of their phone conversations is a small price to pay to help ensure that there is never another 9/11.

7) Wiretapping American citizens without court order.

- I guess I already answered this one. Did I ever mention that I would sign a pledge letting the government listen to every word I say because I have nothing to hide?

Policies on outsourcing and free trade agreements.

That's about the only place on all of these where I am very much against Bush's policies. I believe in free trade, just not with nations that do not have free trade within their own borders, guess that kind of means I don't believe in free trade, oh wel. these things happen.

9) Opposition to ANY probe of wrong doing on the part of Republicans and Whitehouse Administration staff.

Well, since I live in a shell and am dead set in my old ways I haven't heard anything about this nor do I really care.

10) Actions (or) inaction prior to / during / after Katrina.

I think the greater crime/stupidity here was the people who chose to live in a city that was below sea level and then not spend the money necessary to make sure they were safe. You want to know why I laugh when the media keeps showing images of New Orleans that hasn't yet been completely rebuilt? Because I think it is stupid to try and beat mother nature when she just kicked us in the balls and laughed in our faces. Nothing man can do will ever be stronger than the power of nature, regardless of how much money is thrown into this bottomless pit that has quickly become New Orleans it will never be enough. Especially not if the city only builds levees designed to stand up to the force of a cat. 3 hurricane.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

And please please tell me you predicted 9/11. On 9/10 if you handed me that memo saying "Bin Laddin is going to destroy twin towers" there isn't anything I could have done about it. Why? BECAUSE I'M NOT NUTS ENOUGH TO THINK OF FLYING AIRPLANES INTO BUILDINGS. No one pre-9/11 was that nuts!

SORRY - just noticed this part of your post as I was reviewing various posts.

For information:
In 1987/1988 I attended a symposium that was held at the pentagon ... attending were approximately 100-150 military members from all branches of the military and represented just about all of the various grades and security disciplines (land / sea / air). At that time, I was working in Naval Base Physical Security and was a member of a Crisis Response Team.

The topics up for discussion were security concerns for the foreseeable future (next 10-20 years). Areas of concern spanned just about every theater of operations where American interests were overseen by the military. Foreign and domestic security was the over-riding topic for discussion.

One of the first topics on the agenda covered areas where gaps in our security shields could allow a terrorist attack against major targets (military and civilian). One of the envisioned scenarios was a person or persons flying a small craft (Piper Cub or Lear jet) (or) a commercial jet (cargo or passenger) aircraft into a civilian building or into a military establishment and causing massive casualties.

Other possibilities spanned the suicide bomber with a detpack strapped to their bodies to a large truck (dump truck) being loaded with explosives and being slammed into buildings where civilians or military personnel congregated.

There were some really weird scenarios that were envisioned (chemical, biological and even a nuclear scenario using a Piper Cub against the Super Bowl to create mass casualties).

You make the same assumption that many pre-9/11 Americans had made - the 9/11 terrorists were 'nuts' ... to us they absolutely were a bunch of loonies ... we could not imagine that anyone would even consider committing suicide just to kill a bunch of Americans.

This was NOT an assumption that was made at the symposium ... many of the scenarios started with the premise that there WERE people that would give their lives to strike at the very fabric of our society. Many of the scenarios started with a religious fanatical group and went on from there.

I will say that I didn't predict 9/11 on 9/10 ... however ... two of the targets that were discussed were the Whitehouse and the Pentagon ... the consensus was that if either one of these buildings were to be selected, a Piper Cub was too small and either a cargo jet or an airliner would be selected to carry out the strike. Not foreseen was an attack against the Twin Towers. Guess we weren't too far off the mark though were we??

One of the things that disturbs me is the fact that some of the security concerns in 87/88 were articulated and specific cures were formulated to close the security gaps that were identified ... what is frightening to me is that some of those gaps and some of those same cures still haven't been carried out post 9/11 and were identified (again) in response to the attack that was carried out on 9/11.

By the way, one of the other areas that was discussed was the rapid growth of shipping containers that were beginning to flood our ports and the very very limited amount of inspections that were being carried out both overseas and when delivered to our shores.

THINGS HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED THAT MUCH HAVE THEY?

since we were not in a time of recession, we should stay in a balanced budget, deficit spending is for economic depression,

Early 2000s recession - 2000 to 2003: the collapse of the Dot Com Bubble contributes to a relatively mild contraction in the North American economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions


We were in a dam recession, so defecit spending helped get us out of it.

Dont argue so much unless you know what your talking about.

Originally Posted by Rabs

Early 2000s recession - 2000 to 2003: the collapse of the Dot Com Bubble contributes to a relatively mild contraction in the North American economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions


We were in a dam recession, so defecit spending helped get us out of it.

Dont argue so much unless you know what your talking about.

freaken moron
recesssion is when two quarters of consecutive negative growth of economy

according to your moron article
"The US economy experienced negative growth in three non-consecutive quarters in the early 2000s"

Originally Posted by Damien435

I think the greater crime/stupidity here was the people who chose to live in a city that was below sea level and then not spend the money necessary to make sure they were safe. You want to know why I laugh when the media keeps showing images of New Orleans that hasn't yet been completely rebuilt? Because I think it is stupid to try and beat mother nature when she just kicked us in the balls and laughed in our faces. Nothing man can do will ever be stronger than the power of nature, regardless of how much money is thrown into this bottomless pit that has quickly become New Orleans it will never be enough. Especially not if the city only builds levees designed to stand up to the force of a cat. 3 hurricane.

Bush was told that levees would collapse according to the tapes released now, and Bush did nothing about it. (he said he didn't know possible collapse...although on the tape the FEMA guy told him in the face)

Originally Posted by Rabs

Early 2000s recession - 2000 to 2003: the collapse of the Dot Com Bubble contributes to a relatively mild contraction in the North American economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions


We were in a dam recession, so defecit spending helped get us out of it.

Dont argue so much unless you know what your talking about.

Ouch Rabs!

"defecit" is usually spelled as "deficit" in th UK. Is this the US version?

Lower interest rates have also helped but the US dependence on foreign capital is getting bigger and bigger. I think foreign investment in the US is about $1.7 trillion at the moment (News Hour with Jim Lehrer 10/03/06. Great show for us foreigners!). Are huge budget deficits healthy in the long term?