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View Poll Results :Has GW Bush done anything right since assuming the office of President of the United
YES 17 54.84%
NO 10 32.26%
UNDECIDED 4 12.90%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

 
March 10th, 2006   Post 21
MontyB
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Well I guess I can reply:

1) Aftermath of 9/11.
On the whole I think it was handled reasonably well although I have to say as a non-american the whole "you are with us or against us" speech probably created more enemies than it made friends.



2) War in Iraq.
Sorry this one was poorly thought out, badly handled and biggest kick in the nuts for US foreign policy and prestige world wide since Vietnam.
This unfortunately will be his political epitaph.

3) War on terrorism.
Tend to support a lot of his handling in this area although the whole practice of being held indefinately without a trial thing I find just plain wrong, basically some things done well others done rather ineptly but in a lot of cases I will back him as he seems to be going for the better safe than sorry approach and as a traveller I tend to support that.

4) Policies affecting Afghanistan.
I think the US has done extremely well there and tend to support him in this area.

5 Tax cuts for the very richest groups.
Sorry not an american this one goes into the dont know/dont care basket.

6) Stance on Patriot Act.
As much as I may be put in the "evil liberal" basket I dont actually have a problem with the patriot act or certainly far less of a problem than most of the Americans I know.

7) Wiretapping American citizens without court order.
Once again I dont really have much of an issue with this either, certainly its not something I would want here in normal peace time but these are not normal times

Policies on outsourcing and free trade agreements.
I am somewhat opposed to a US/NZ free trade agreement as it simply wouldnt be in or best interests however its different for other countries.

9) Opposition to ANY probe of wrong doing on the part of Republicans and Whitehouse Administration staff.
Standard politics he is the first and wont be the last to do this.

10) Actions (or) inaction prior to / during / after Katrina.
Personally not sure what he could have really done here as any failures were really in the ranks below the Whitehouse and when it comes down to it anything he could have done prior would have seemed too little, during would have been impossible and after well thats a matter for debate.
So nope I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one as well.
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March 10th, 2006   Post 22
Rabs
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Wtf monty, you've traveled to the right.

makes me happy
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March 10th, 2006   Post 23
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I voted YES

I think GWB has done some good things.

And I also think he's done some bad things.

He's made sure that the USA will not become another target for terrorism, but on the same issue, he's allowed North Korea and Iran to continue doing what they always do. Try and stir up a hornet's nest.

He's made sure that MY 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS aren't screwed with by the damn liberals.

He's also tried to instill family values back into the American way of life.

He's tried to correct the economy. It's not his fault, the economy was already heading down the shitter after Clinton left office. The Internet makert bouble popped in 2000. Also, 9-11 played a huge role in worsening the economy.

All in all, I'd say his done good And sure of a hell of alot better than Clinton.
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March 10th, 2006   Post 24
chinese-canadian
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en..In terms of security and global strategy, Bush at least has a direction, better than the Clinton administration with clearly no idea of what is going on (a big confusion after Soviets are gone), the military tries to seek another big sexy superpowr to fight with and ignored the potential threat of global terrorism.

however, In terms of economy...Clinton did a better job in pulling U.S out of an economc downhill during BUsh Sr's era and also had a balanced budget. U.S was also hit with Asian economic crisis (Japan, hongkong, tailand were all hit). and Clinton was still able to pull a 8 year straght strong economic growth with low inflation and low unemployment
 
March 10th, 2006   Post 25
phoenix80
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I think the great deal is that his presidency has made many ********s mad
 
March 10th, 2006   Post 26
Ted
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenix80
I think the great deal is that his presidency has made many ********s mad
If this is the core of your 8 year term in office, you definatly need to see a shrink. Not you Phoenix, but Bush (if this is his motivation). What are you thinking if, instead of running a nation, you think of ways to annoye democrats...... If that would be true I would even think less of him then I already do.
 
March 10th, 2006   Post 27
phoenix80
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted
If this is the core of your 8 year term in office, you definatly need to see a shrink. Not you Phoenix, but Bush (if this is his motivation). What are you thinking if, instead of running a nation, you think of ways to annoye democrats...... If that would be true I would even think less of him then I already do.
Seems you have problems digesting SARCASTIC comments but any how, I repeat, if his actions have made the ********s crazy, then good for him!
 
March 10th, 2006   Post 28
Chief Bones
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I see that the majority of the people voting think Bush did 'something' right ... this is something I really don't understand ... however ... it's probably because of my personal bias (I just plain don't like him).

I believe in a balanced budget ... smaller government ... less interference with my life ... and a whole bunch of other stuff that Bush seems to want to trample into the ground ... things like the Constitution.

I fully believe that King George is in the back pocket of some of his biggest contributors and really doesn't give a rat's f*ck about the little guy ... hence his statement that outsourcing was good for the United States.

As far as his "I'm the big guy on the block and you better not screw with me" stance ... he's the President of the United States and he damn well better have that kind of 'image' after 9/11 even if he were the biggest draft dodger to come out of the Vietnam era.

After 9/11 any person who serves as our CIC/President better maintain the facade ... it's too late to moderate this stance now ... Bush has painted us into a corner we can no longer step out of ... (with the terrorism threat throughout the world anything else would be suicide).

He has alienated so many countries it will be a very long time before we return to our former esteem and standings in the eyes of many world governments.

One of the outcomes of the monstrous National Debt is that countries that don't have our best interests at heart are now the owners of the 'paper' which was underwritten by these countries to cover our overinflated budgets ... if they ever decide to demand payment in full the US could be in deep kimchee. How ever you cut it, Bush bears the blame ... after all ... almost all of this monstrous debt was created on his watch.

A REAL LEADER HE AIN'T ...

ON TOP OF THAT, I SOMETIMES THINK HE HAS A PROBLEM TYING HIS OWN SHOES. HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT CAN'T EVEN READ A SPEECH HE WROTE AND PRACTICED FROM A TELEPROMPTER WITHOUT STUMBLING OVER HIS OWN TONGUE.
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March 10th, 2006   Post 29
Rabs
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Quote:
almost all of this monstrous debt was created on his watch.
Who cares he had to fight two wars or deal with more natural disasters then any president in modern history.

He went out there and blew that money on stupid things like better armor for our troops, hes such a crook.
 
March 10th, 2006   Post 30
mmarsh
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Rabs

9-11 costs about $15 Billion to rebuild. Katrina about $100 Billion, TOPS. Factor in another $440 (to date) Billion for both wars. Thats $550 Billion total to date. Our Dificit is $413 Billion Per year!

So you cannot just say war, 9/11 and Iraq are whats killing us, the math just doesnt add up. Armor for troops only costs $450-$1000 per soldier. Say 150,000 suits x $1000 and thats 1.5 Million, which is chump change. The reason our troops still dont have body armor is not because of price, but because of the ENTIRE problem plaguing the Iraq war from the very start. I.N.C.O.M.P.E.N.T.A.N.C.E.

So what is killing us? The Bush Tax cuts, (in my mind, the only time in history that a leader has passed a huge tax cut during a time of war). The astronomical amount of Washington Pork (of which Bush has never vetoed a single spending bill) and the fraud, waste, from Bush cronies.

Last edited by mmarsh; March 10th, 2006 at 12:18.