Originally Posted by MontyB

Yes well a monocular view may lead to that belief but it is becoming apparent that if you cant come up with an argument we can always fall back on the leftist/liberal accusations. Seriously your entire post is pure guess work and supposition as to what so called "left wingers" think and quite frankly I am not sure you could spot a "liberal" if you tripped over one in the dark.

I fall back on it because its true, especially with Hitler.

You accuse me of bringing this up when I can't come up with an argument, when twice already(maybe more) you have sidetrack the thread (this is one of them) because you can't come up with a counter argument, thats funny.

And yes I know you keep saying that you are a moderate and all that, but almost evrytime you take a position of debate here your views almost always come from left field. Its like the girl who says she love you, but she is sleeping with all the other guys in the neighborhood. In fact she keeps telling you she loves you, she tells you that all the time, but does she really mean it.

Originally Posted by Doc.S

Time for all to smell the dead roses and get up from those god damn dreamlands they are living in and recognize that we ladies and gentlemen are standing right on the threshold to our own cultures extermination from the inside outside in.

Nice to see you again Doc!

As always alot of your statements are right on.

So long as Hamas is not given the option of destroying the Democratic process from happening in the future, I expect that the Palestinians might make less controversial choices as time goes on. That or, like I said, maybe Hamas (by some miracle) tones it down and adapt itself. Maybe both. Spain is an example of a nation who's political system has evolved from a Fascist state under Franco to being a lot better today. It demonstrates that it certainly could happen. Also, Turkey is an example of a Muslim nation that is maintaining a pretty free system.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Godwin's Law
[Usenet] “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. (It has nothing to do with my original post).

I MADE A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT YOU STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

................. Hitler's platform was that those 'dirty Jews' were to blame for all of Germany's ills.

Hamas has played the very same race card to come to power - "The dirty Jews are to blame for the Palestinian people's problems".

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? <How bout responding to my straightforward question>

Sorry about the color fireworks - used it to point out important info - Monty doesn't seem to understand straightforward English so highlighted important parts of the post so he couldn't say he didn't understand what I was trying to say.

Originally Posted by gladius

I fall back on it because its true, especially with Hitler.

You accuse me of bringing this up when I can't come up with an argument, when twice already(maybe more) you have sidetrack the thread (this is one of them) because you can't come up with a counter argument, thats funny.

I am sorry but it is incredibly difficult to reply to your posts when they are primarily made up of a mish mash of bible stories and right wing philosphy and yet you constantly reply to assert that you are right while never providing a factual base for your argument.

Incidently the fact that there is a counter argument there but you refuse to acknowledge it doesnt remove the fact that it exists.

And yes I know you keep saying that you are a moderate and all that, but almost evrytime you take a position of debate here your views almost always come from left field. Its like the girl who says she love you, but she is sleeping with all the other guys in the neighborhood. In fact she keeps telling you she loves you, she tells you that all the time, but does she really mean it.

On the contrary I am moderate because some of my views are left wing, others are right wing and a bunch of them are centerist. The fact that you are far right just just pushes everyone else to the left it doesnt actually make them left.

Originally Posted by [B

Chief Bones[/b]]I don't know what the hell you're talking about. (It has nothing to do with my original post).

I MADE A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT YOU STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Bones
................. Hitler's platform was that those 'dirty Jews' were to blame for all of Germany's ills.

Hamas has played the very same race card to come to power - "The dirty Jews are to blame for the Palestinian people's problems".

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? <How bout responding to my straightforward question>


Sorry about the color fireworks - used it to point out important info - Monty doesn't seem to understand straightforward English so highlighted important parts of the post so he couldn't say he didn't understand what I was trying to say.

Oh it was a question?
Sorry I though it was your signature being in colour and at the bottom of the post and all.

I was on the verge of hitting the report button as a personal "assault" but I figured nah I will give you a response its easier. So here it is :-
Go read "teds" post on why using the Hitler card is so inappropriate I dont expect that it will sink in and I am not about to waste a day putting colours to it but it is spot on and it is the simplest explaination available.

Originally Posted by [B

godofthunder9010[/b]]So long as Hamas is not given the option of destroying the Democratic process from happening in the future, I expect that the Palestinians might make less controversial choices as time goes on. That or, like I said, maybe Hamas (by some miracle) tones it down and adapt itself. Maybe both. Spain is an example of a nation who's political system has evolved from a Fascist state under Franco to being a lot better today. It demonstrates that it certainly could happen. Also, Turkey is an example of a Muslim nation that is maintaining a pretty free system.

I think you are 100% correct.

See dont say I am not an agreeable sort.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I am sorry but it is incredibly difficult to reply to your posts when they are primarily made up of a mish mash of bible stories and right wing philosphy and yet you constantly reply to assert that you are right while never providing a factual base for your argument.

Oh such harsh accusation coming from you, perhaps you are losing the argument, so you start to now resort to all kinds of false accusations.

My replies here had facts and logical reasoning to back it up. If ever I insist I am right it is only because of the facts, logical deduction, or examples from history (Hitler!). You insist you are right without any of these.

Would you like me to show you where it happen or did you just happen to ignore it. You may want to look at post #15 again.

Incidently the fact that there is a counter argument there but you refuse to acknowledge it doesnt remove the fact that it exists.

What counter arguement did you provide? You provided none and you had none. All you did was try to distract the issue by introducting the a non-issue by invoking like godwins law on the Hitler stuff and now accusing me of all kinds of stuff while you dodge the real issue. You do this everytime you have no logic to reply with. Did you think we weren't going to recognize this (this is a typical left-wing tactic btw).

On the contrary I am moderate because some of my views are left wing, others are right wing and a bunch of them are centerist. The fact that you are far right just just pushes everyone else to the left it doesnt actually make them left.

You "say" you have centrist and even right-wing views, but your post to these views haven't been in porportion to what you are saying, something doesn't match here...hmmm. In fact something smells rotten, and it isn't in Denmark, rather its somewhere over where you live.

If you really have more centrist views and ight wing views, then you better start posting some, not just token ones either to fool us into thinking you actualy have some.

So far you views have been 90% left so that makes you left wing. I think you are just saying you are a moderate as to fool people that your left-wing views are not actually left wing. But really who is going to be fooled? It has the same effect if I were to tell people here that I'm a actually a democrat. it quacks like a duck...

Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Godwin's Law
[Usenet] “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. (It has nothing to do with my original post).
Or any recent post as near as I can tell.

I MADE A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT YOU STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO.

DAMN BUT ARE YOU EVER DENSE - I'LL TRY ONE MORE TIME.....

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A G A I N ! ! ! !

(HITLER)
................. Hitler's platform was that those 'dirty Jews' were to blame for all of Germany's ills. (HE WON ELECTION).

(HAMAS)
Hamas has played the very same race card to come to power - "The dirty Jews are to blame for the Palestinian people's problems". (HAMAS WON ELECTION).

This was the primary reason Hamas accumulated so many votes - they pandered to the prejudices of the Palestinian people.
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(Since you had a major problem with a little color coding - this is the only part I left color in and for some obvious reasons).

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HITLER AND THE HAMAS?
(They BOTH blame the Jews for all of their problems)


<How bout responding to my straightforward question AND STOP DODGING by responding with a simple straight forward answer.>

Obfuscating an issue is not the same as responding to the spirit of a discussion or question.

Are you afraid of answering a simple question?

Obfuscation - to muddle; confuse; bewilder. (In case you wondered).

As far as my signature - I'm proud of my signature. I should have reported your post to the MODS but I choose to ignore your attempted put-down. Please (for once) try to act civilly - it has been in short supply with some of your recent posts.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HITLER AND THE HAMAS?
(They BOTH blame the Jews for all of their problems)

There are very numberous ammounts of significant differences but just because there are does not mean that comparisons in certain aspects can not be made, as you have pointed out.

Saying Hamas=hitler is misunderstanding the situation but saying that there are no parallels between the lessons learned from WW2 and what is happening in Palestine right now is being even more blind.

why do the islamic terrorists look very scary and ugly?

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

There are very numberous ammounts of significant differences but just because there are does not mean that comparisons in certain aspects can not be made, as you have pointed out.

Saying Hamas=hitler is misunderstanding the situation but saying that there are no parallels between the lessons learned from WW2 and what is happening in Palestine right now is being even more blind.

The point you just articulated was the point that I was trying to make with MontyB. The parallel was Hamas's hatred and blame of everything Jewish and their use of Palestinian hatred of the Jewish state of Israel to garner Palestinian votes. Along with this comparison, you can also make a comparison of citizens selecting an anti-jewish group to represent them.

MontyB would have us believe that there are NO comparisons with Hitler's rise to power and Hamas's participation in a Palestinian government and to even raise Hitler when discussing the situation in the middle east is counter productive.

Nothing is further from the truth.
Hamas continues to fuel the fire with terrorist suicide bombers and continues to advocate the end of the Jewish state (Hitler tried to wipe out all Jews while Hamas's aims are almost as drastic). Peace will remain an impossibility because Israel will have nothing to do with peace talks where Hamas (a terrorist group) has a say in a treaty until their avowed aims and practices undergo a drastic change.

Talk about a Catch 22.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

There are very numberous ammounts of significant differences but just because there are does not mean that comparisons in certain aspects can not be made, as you have pointed out.

Saying Hamas=hitler is misunderstanding the situation but saying that there are no parallels between the lessons learned from WW2 and what is happening in Palestine right now is being even more blind.

Sounds like a reasonable answer and to a large part true the tempering fact in this for me is that the Palestinian Authority is not a government of a nation therefore there is not a lot they can do and as long as the "democratic" infrastructure remains in place they will either do the job or be evicted from power.

So there ya go another response and neither of us had to burst into colour to do it.