Originally Posted by WarMachine

The cockroaches are always right, they write the history at that point anyway.

Your premise has some merit ... however ... the reason that the cockroaches write the history is because it's impossible to completely wipe them out even if you use "the bomb".

Originally Posted by Missileer

Well, it's sort of like when General Andrew Jackson was ordered to solve the "Indian" and foreign pirates problem in Florida. The President and Congress told him to do it, not how. He took his army and attacked the tribes, when they went to fight, he burned all undefended villages and food. All hapless French, British, and Indians were cut down except for two British officials, he hung them. The US told Spain that if they wanted Florida, they were to occupy and defend it or lose it. They chose the latter. Thus began the "to the victor go the spoils" method of warfare.

This is the way the Jews see things and so far, I haven't been able to find anything to the contrary. Of course this is a Jewish site but that doesn't rewrite history.

http://www.masada2000.org/

There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started).Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!

Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

However, there were palestinian people in a state in the Ottoman Empire called Palestine. In 1914, Jews only made up 12% of the population. So, the situation isn't as clear cut as it may seem.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ww1...e_eveofwar.php

Besides, the real reason the Hamas party won parliament was the massive corruption of the Fatah party. After Arafat's death, all hell broke looses as every palestinian discovered that millions of dollars of foreign aid had evaporated into thin air.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...693433,00.html

Everyone seems to forget that the Jewish state has been just as murderous as the Palestinian one... just because you use airplanes and bombs doesn't somehow give you the moral high ground against someone who uses suicide bombers!

After all, what else will the Palestinians do against one of the most powerful armies in the world? Fire some rpg's and ak47's at the advancing a1 Abrams tanks and die en mass?

DM
You can try to rewrite history all you want and it will change nothing. As long as Hamas's stated aim is to destroy the country of Israel and to wipe out ALL jews, the Palestinians will never be able to have a country of their own (the first country in history they can call their own).

Continued finger pointing and name calling doesn't change the fact that the Palestinians HAVE NEVER had a real homeland. All you have to do is to look where 'Palestinians" originated ... Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanonese make up present day Palestinians.

Originally Posted by Dark_Mark

However, there were palestinian people in a state in the Ottoman Empire called Palestine. In 1914, Jews only made up 12% of the population. So, the situation isn't as clear cut as it may seem.

Yes but that region included what is today the kingdom of Jordan and parts of the Golan Heights! So the situation gets a bit clearer again.

Before those guys there were the other guys and before the other guys there were those who were there even before the second guys and those were the first guys and the whole bunch got there by bonking the other guys with their clubs and poking them with their stiks so hang on to what you got, there are some other guys that want it.

Human beans baby, we take care of business

the conflict will never become resolved if one side is always blaming the other. A complete armistice and then a treaty needs to be signed by the palestinians and israelis after the renegades are cleared away. Then both sides can agree on some things and go their seperate ways.

If the area was partitioned in 1955 or so instead of 1947, then things would be a lot more stable since there would have been more international observations of the developmetn of israel and palestine. I suppose it's just one of those historical screw ups that in hindsight could have been corrected.

Originally Posted by WarMachine

the conflict will never become resolved if one side is always blaming the other. A complete armistice and then a treaty needs to be signed by the palestinians and israelis after the renegades are cleared away. Then both sides can agree on some things and go their seperate ways.

If the area was partitioned in 1955 or so instead of 1947, then things would be a lot more stable since there would have been more international observations of the developmetn of israel and palestine. I suppose it's just one of those historical screw ups that in hindsight could have been corrected.

W.M.
The biggest stumbling block was/is/continues to be, Hamas's stated goal of destroying the country of Israel and removing the Jewish influence from the area by ANY means possible.

Put this into REAL context ... Hamas (a terrorist group), is now in control of the Palestinian government and you now have a recipe which is ripe with pending disaster. Israel CAN NOT deal with a government which has a public stance like Hamas's (they don't dare turn their backs). If they did, it would sooner or later mean a major disaster for all Israelis - it would open the window to unprecedented carnage by terrorists (Hamas).

Until the Palestinians wake up to the fact that Hamas is NOT their friend and gets rid of them, Israel will continue to respond to attacks against their country and people with military power. What this really means is a continuous state of war between the Palestinians and Israel with no end in sight. Removal of Hamas from the equation is the ONLY hope for peaceful resolution of this conflict.

Remind me how I am re-writing history? The region was primarily arabic for a long period of time.

The Israeli government is just as much of a terrorist organization as Hamas. When they target "terrorists," they always end up using excessive force (abrams tanks, bombing raids, artillery strikes) and killing or imprisoning many innocents.

If you ask me, the problem seems to be Israel's unilateral policies.

Remove Hamas? And instate who? Fatah? So they can screw over the Palestinians more with their corruption and refusal to aggressively pursue negotiation with Israel??? Or would it be better to just institute an autocracy? Or commit genocide?

Does Israel have an exit strategy to get out of this one?

Originally Posted by Dark_Mark

Remind me how I am re-writing history? The region was primarily arabic for a long period of time.....................................

Since you seem to have missed a part of my post lend an ear and really read and listen instead of trying to dazzle us with your propaganda .......

...... As long as Hamas's stated aim is to destroy the country of Israel and to wipe out ALL Jews, the Palestinians will never be able to have a country of their own (the first country in history they can call their own). (This group of 'Palestinians" has NEVER had a country of their own ... PERIOD).

Continued finger pointing and name calling doesn't change the fact that the Palestinians HAVE NEVER had a real homeland. All you have to do is to look where 'Palestinians" originated ... (Modern Palestinians DID NOT originate in Palestine) Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese make up present day Palestinians.

The fact that there were Arabs in a portion of the region did NOT automatically grant ownership to the the present day Palestinians just because they are Arabs. Jews had as much right to these lands as the Arabs ... Arab population was very very sparse until Jewish merchants and tradesmen made part of the region profitable ... at that time Palestinians suddenly saw an area that was worth something, and they tried to take it for their own. Part of the response was Israel's kick ass 6 day war (Jun 5, 1967). Even though it was primarily aimed at Egypt and Jordan, it sent a message to the entire Arab community. Since that time, the Arab group now identified as Palestinian, has been trying to drive Israel from the area using terrorism as their primary weapon. You decry Israel's use of Abrams tanks, bombing raids, artillery strikes, etc ... but never accuse the Palestinians of crimes against humanity when they use IEDs and suicide bombers to target civilians.

Just for historical information: The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity.

SO - as I said stop your bs propaganda and stop trying to rewrite history - you are out of your league ... most of the forum members recognize what it is you are trying to do and they won't let you get away with it.

For sure I will call you on it.