About Haiti and better solutions from military?
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Haiti and better solutions from military? info
This has got me thinking. Is this a renewed role for genuine paratroops who can be dropped on any flat land from an aircraft at very short notice. Perhaps a pre-prepared quick response unit could provide some emergency aid within hours of a quake especially in this case being situated not too far from the US mainland air bases. These initial aid workers might also prepare air strips for medium term aid. Perhaps marines with landing craft could also provide medium term aid via the beaches.
All this doesn't seem far removed from a 'D-Day' or Ichon type operation where one has to get lots of supplies on land using a largely non existent infrastructure. Except in this case it should be a bit easier since there is no military opposition.
I suppose countries with potential disaster zones would have to agree in advance who exactly would be allowed to 'invade' them and in what circumstances. Presumably these aid workers would still have to be armed and therefore consist of full time troops.
Just some loose thoughts.
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Countries are sending troops to halp with law and order as we speak.
Problem with using paratroops are that they are by definition "light infantry" themselves with limited supplies and no one knows how long the Airfields are going to be closed.
Worst case scenario is that you put troops into an area and donīt know if you can resupply them much less supply them enough so they can help the locals at all.
The thought is relevant I agree, but it is something that will have to be planned extensively.
Not enough fuel to fly the aid flights out amongst other problems.
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Your compassion on these boards brings tears to my eyes.
I'm really thinking of prepared packages which supply both the troops and civilians, with tents, food, water, medicines. Strictly the first to go in don't need any back up except for heavy lifting gear, and heavy transport, supplies can be parachuted in. Nearly all the deaths occurr within the first few days and they are still pissing around the airport co-ordinating themselves. Then again if we couldn't manage New Orleans.....
This doesn't sound like rocket science just needs pro-action rather than reaction
Last edited by perseus; January 15th, 2010 at 12:11..
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In an emergency situation like the one you see in Haiti, you have to assume (correctly) that there will be hostile elements in the area.
Where to drop these troops, by what means they will fortify themselves and with what supplies they will offer what kind of help for how long and how often they can and will be resupplied are all issues.
There may be those trying to prevent supplies going in. Maybe not by the port but further inland you just never know.
I think plenty of help is getting there but no matter how you look at it, it is a logistical nightmare.
50,000+ dead... that is just unacceptable
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I can see where you are coming from and understand your issue. I too believe that relief aid in the form of looking for survivors comes way to late. I think that what you see as paratroopers being dropped not only brings quicker aid relief but also helps them train to respond to emergency calls much quicker. The only problem is, if the quake was so devastating does it mean that paratroopers may be forced to land further out due to the initial landing zones being to dangerous to land in.
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First you need to understand why the first troops going in are the 82nd and a MEU. Both are alert forces able to put boots on the ground and create a presence and a secure lodgement for follow on forces. Both are trained to give limited humanitarian aid until follow on arrives and both are more than able to secure areas in which to land supplies. With out security the operation is in jepordey of becoming a cluster.
The 82nd has elements that can set up expiediant ATC for fixed wing and may actually have USAF CCT elements attached, the MEU has HST elements for helo control and support and beach and port elements for amphib control.
So besides the security assets both units are critical for setting the stage for opening up an orderly and secure flow of aid.
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|January 15th, 2010||#10|
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Ut ceteri vivant.
Last edited by PJ24; January 16th, 2010 at 01:49.. Reason: Added info.