About Hair Cuts. Page 2
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There are many things you wouldn't realize you can do.
A person of Scottish heritage can wear a kilt with a dress uniform.
A Samoan is Permitted to have facial tats if it relates to his religion.
A Muslim is allowed to make all of his daily prayers, even if it interrupts duty.
Any religious rights have to be respected by the service. Hence its the very first in the bill of rights.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
If this right is being violated by any unit in any branch of service, then it needs to be brought to the attention of congressmen and respective officers of the unit. It would be a huge mistake to violate this after swearing an oath such as this.......
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Please read over the first and most important part of the oath again, for good measure.
PS- as long as the headgear isn't clashing with the uniform it is allowed, I take this as meaning it must be of matching color it's okay.
And as for the facial hair, you have to have a waiver for it. I got mine.
If you think that religions don't have that much power in the military. Perhaps you should go to a military church service of your religion then walk into the chaplains office. This is the one place where you will never salute an officer, on or near the grounds of an area that is considered holy. The reasoning behind this is that there is a higher officer present at that area all ready.
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I see, well thanks for the correction. I didn't realize we'd grown so ridiculous. I think anyone that joins the military and then wants an exception to wear and appearance regulations due to religious beliefs should probably be left far behind in the rear with the gear.
But hey, that's just me. I play by big boy rules and I knew the regulations BEFORE I voluntarily signed that contract. A lot of things in my religion conflict with the military, I don't demand the military bend to me and my beliefs.
My opinion only. I'm sure your ego can handle it.
Ut ceteri vivant.
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Sorry for the length of this post...... but here it goes.
A. REISSUANCE AND PURPOSE
This Directive reissues reference (a) and, pursuant to references (b) and (c), prescribes policy, procedures, and responsibilities for the accommodation of religious practices in the Military Services.
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The thing is...... they sort of have to bend to your beliefs.
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I think there just needs to be a reason other than religion to not adhere to grooming standards or any standards within the military.
And I will admit, maybe that's because my religion has no restrictions on things like that and I can't understand the actual importance it may have to someone.
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Baldness on top of the head, of course cannot allow you to mend to their standards.
And as far as facial hair goes...... Shaving bumps.
It's mainly for African Americans and people of Semetic Origins.
May I also ask, what your religion is? I bet there are alot of things that apply to this even in your religion.
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The idea of joining an Armed Service is that you agree to serve, not to be served. If anyone is so religious that they cannot conform, FFS become a sky pilot, and let the troopies that joined to do a job get on with it.
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Did you totally overlook the Oath which I posted? Or perhaps the DOD article? Religion is a human right. If they didn't want us to have that right they wouldn't have put it in those two articles, nor the most important article (The Constitution). Then there really would be no reason to join.
The idea of joining a service comes not from agreement to serve. It comes from the values and liberties in which that service protects.
If our nations military was founded on lets say Keeping guerrilla fighters in some other country at bay, then I of course wouldn't have joined.
I joined for the simple fact of what our constitution stands for, and in respect and payment for the men before me that have served in order to protect what is written in it.
As you can see..... I still haven't given up my duties as a soldier!
The military is there to protect the rights we have and yes you do give up certain rights up enlistment. However nothing can abolish your basic rights described in the bill of rights. It would be unconstitutional. Hence why I think gun control is borderline communism.
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I don't give a flying f*ck for your constitution, or the Oath, I'm more of a common sense type of person myself. You think that the Constitution is inviolable? Try pleading your 4th Amendment Rights to your border security personnel when they stop your vehicle for a search 100 miles from the border, without probable cause.
If you want to play games, stay at home and join some gaming group on the internet, let Servicemen do what Servicemen must. In my day anyone with your attitude would have been labelled a Barrack Room Lawyer and you would have attracted grief like sh!t attracts flies.
And personally I don't think that you'd know "Communism" if it bit you on the butt.
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The thing about joining the military is you agree to give up certain rights in order to uphold the ones you're trying to guarantee. That's just reality. I'm all about rights, and I love my constitution but I don't think requiring one to meet uniform standards violates anyones right to religion. If serving in the military was meant to ensure exactly the same rights civilians have, we wouldn't have the UCMJ.
If my religion dictated I could have a wife and a girlfriend, does that mean the UCMJ shouldn't apply to me? I mean, it is my religion afterall and if you attempted to prosecute me under Art. 134 you would be alienating my constitutional right of freedom of religion.
As for your point about baldness, as long as the length is within regs, it doesn't matter. At worst, one can simply shave his head if he's worried about the balding spot and still be within regs. Facial hair is another matter as well, those that cannot shave often are required to get shaving profiles.
There is also a thing called "relaxed grooming standards," I fall under this quite often. There is a mission essential reason for it. When I return home, I go back to living "just within" regs, but I do live within them.
My religion doesn't have regulations about hair or wardrobe. Maybe that's why I don't get it. You asked my religion, but I don't feel the need to advertise it, it's personal, I will tell you I'm a Christian. What I give up from my religion is done because I don't feel like it places my soul at risk of judgement from my God. It's a compromise I make in order to uphold my chosen career. I don't think I'd have an issue cutting my hair or not wearing specific headdress if it were part of my religion, however. But again, I can only speak from someone that doesn't have those requirements, didn't grow up in that culture, etc.
Anyway, good discussion, but I don't think we're gonna agree.