Originally Posted by Blitzmädel

Wow! A veteran from the American Revolutionary War!

Arghh,.... Poop! I buggered up again. Let's make that 1971-72.

Jeez,.. I know I feel old enough for it to be true sometimes, but that was ridiculous.

To the original poster. I had a family friend growing up who was a SF MSG team leader. His career spanned from Vietnam to Desert Storm. I remember asking him what the SF were. He did it in one word. "diplomats"

Originally Posted by Big_Z

To the original poster. I had a family friend growing up who was a SF MSG team leader. His career spanned from Vietnam to Desert Storm. I remember asking him what the SF were. He did it in one word. "diplomats"

That's a really good way to put it.

Originally Posted by MikeP

The question was SF.
There is only US ARMY Special Forces.
All other applications reference to SF are misnomers.

SF does come under today's SOCOM umbrella, but it is a separate organization.

A basic characteristic is self starting and high personal motivation.

A realistic candidate would not be asking the questions you have presented.

Sympathetic and gentle handling of frivolous thinking are not in our basic nature.

Most of us are *******s. Hard earned.

Skip SF.

Only the Army has Spec ops? Well hell.............who did I fix helo's and boat motors for for 20 years then?

Okay Bandwagon, you guys can chill out. Dog piles don't do a damn thing and KJ and I already offered constructive correction.

Wolfen, he never said no one but the Army has Special Operations. He is simply confused about the term "SF." In the US, ONLY the Army has SF. In other countries SF is what they call most of their Special Operations. I would guess since you were Navy you fixed helos for pilots and boats for boat drivers. SWCC and SEALs aren't Special Forces, they are Special Warfare and like Special Forces fall under the general term of Special Operations Forces.

Your right PJI fixed special ops boats and special ops helos, we weer called SO in the Navy the Army and Air Force called them SF, but either way a Spec is a spec.
I wasn't trying to sound like a butthead, sorry if I came off that way, but now days I get told all the time by kids that the Navy has no body except Seals that do any thing besides float, which is bull, if you fix their stuff, you go with them, train with them, and live with them, you wouldn't believe some of the places I've been, and helped secure so that the Army SF could land there.

You can read more on SF on my website, it's dedicated to special forces of the world.

Nice site man

Originally Posted by wolfen

Your right PJI fixed special ops boats and special ops helos, we weer called SO in the Navy the Army and Air Force called them SF, but either way a Spec is a spec.
I wasn't trying to sound like a butthead, sorry if I came off that way, but now days I get told all the time by kids that the Navy has no body except Seals that do any thing besides float, which is bull, if you fix their stuff, you go with them, train with them, and live with them, you wouldn't believe some of the places I've been, and helped secure so that the Army SF could land there.

What was your exact MOS? What units were you in?

Your right PJI fixed special ops boats and special ops helos, we weer called SO in the Navy the Army and Air Force called them SF, but either way a Spec is a spec.

United States Army Special Forces is the actual name of the unit. They are considered Special Operations Forces. 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta are also US Army SOF but are not SF because SF is the name of a unit.

Basically before the term Special Forces became popular internationally the US Army had already named a unit that and so it has been confusing people ever since.

you wouldn't believe some of the places I've been, and helped secure so that the Army SF could land there.

While SF have the capability for direct actions it's not their primary focus like it is in other SOF units.