AP - Two of four men accused of plotting attacks on Southern California military sites and Jewish targets have agreed to plead guilty to terrorism conspiracy charges, prosecutors said.

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Take a good read, listen and learn regarding what these
monsters say; there is no reason to disbelieve them when they make their intentions so clear. Zero tolerance required, don't be weak as we have been. Personally I believe that the death penalty should used in these treasonable matters. Why throw good money after them.

Del Boy

Here's the thing, these radical Black-Muslim groups have been around since the 1970s, they were a byproduct of the Hippie movement. The Black Panthers-Nation of Islam as prime example. Its not the first time they have been linked to violence, even anti-semitic violence. The thing is; they might act like muslim radicals, but they are really angier about Blacks are treated in the US then they are about about Radical Islam like al Qaeda.

Furthermore the hardcore groups like al-Qaeda really hate black people. They view them as sub-human scum just like the Nazis viewed the Jews. They are far more racist than groups like the KKK. Some of them still practice African slavery. I listened to an ex-al Qeada operative talk about the bombings in the US embassies in Africa. He said one of the things that shocked him into leaving the organization and turn states witness the most was listening to a senior al-qaeda member say that the 200 Africans killed that were innocent bystanders were of no consequence, the only thing they cared about was the number of dead Americans. And when he said no consqeuence he meant exactly that. They viewed the deaths of those 200 people as neither a victory nor defeat, they were completely emotionless. This person happened to be the witnesses own father. So groups like this are not really recognized by the real terrorists.

So don't sweat groups like this. The Bush Administration like to trot out these homegrown cases in order to scare us (by my count its the forth time) but these are the acts of individuals rather than some true movement as we seen in the Arab countries.

Yeah MM - I take your point. I am very aware of the US political situation you describe and I closely followed it. On the streets of New York ( my uncle lived in Greenwich village from the forties and I am related to Pauline Glen -Winslow the American best-selling author btw) there were times when I felt very uncomfortable at the presence of the Nation of Islam types preaching their hatred, We had not heard the like of that since the Black Shirts of WW11. I lived through the Malcolm X times of course. I agree re. the difference you point out, and I am interested that you place these guys in that camp particularly. If that camp is to be incorporated into the new problem mass, then that might be an Achilles heel for US at home. I would have hoped Americans would have stood together against the foe.
I remain a cock-eyed optimist, as you can see!

These local terrorists are a movement as well, just not as coordinated or well funded or supported as before.
Also Nation of Islam isn't mainstream Islam and I don't think it is recognized by any of the real Islamic authorities in the Middle East. The beliefs of the Nation of Islam is a hybrid of Christianity, Islam and racism.