Originally Posted by senojekips

From where you have 100 times as many nukes as needed to kill every man woman and child on earth,down to where you merely have 10 times enough,.... Wow, that really shows your concern, eh?

What do you in fact want? On the one hand you want the US and Israel to abandon nukes and on the other hand you would allow Iran to have some!

we've already been through this. You have broken dozens of treaties, promises and conventions so stop whining about someone else doing the same. We all know that it is merely to enable Israel to keep their military advantage over their neighbours. I'll bet that if Australia or another of your allies started developing a nuclear deterrent there wouldn't be all this fuss.

That's what you say. List the dozens of broken treaties, promises and conventions please.

Originally Posted by senojekips

You just have absolutely no idea of what is going on in the world do you? Solid ivory from the top teeth, up.

If you would say that to yourself, that would be a big improvement.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

If you would say that to yourself, that would be a big improvement.

It would only placate pro zionist idiots like yourself, and I have no intention of denying the truth to suit your purposes.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

What do you in fact want? On the one hand you want the US and Israel to abandon nukes and on the other hand you would allow Iran to have some!

You should go back and read what I said,... not what you want me to have said.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

That's what you say. List the dozens of broken treaties, promises and conventions please.

Well, you can start with virtually every treaty ever made with their own native American population,... then more recently the arrangements with the Hmong in Laos, the Marsh Arabs in Iraq.

Go on get off your lazy @rse and go and have a look for once, instead of relying on others to do your research for you.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

Nowhere in that article says China and Russia are going to attack the US. It is also 4 months old.

China Threatens World War Three If Anyone Attacks Iran 2011 - YouTube



It is not because it is all over the internet that it is still valid. Like your first link, this is several months old. In the mean time, China has reduced its oil imports from Iran drastically, just as the US and the EU has increased their sanctions, without causing WW3. Up until now it's the Chinese government that decides what it is going to do and not a professor or a General. Next time you do your research don't forget to check the date

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/12/china...world-war-iii/

http://www.brecorder.com/top-stories/0/1171030/

Finally found the right links i wanted to post. In the second link it shows in no way has China reduced imports from Iran. Iv listen my proof and you have failed to do so about your info.

Just because a link is 4 months old doesn't mean the Chinese government has decided to just give in and not defend Iran from a powerful country such as the U.S.

Reread the second link. They are slightly reducing instead of not at all....my bad

Originally Posted by senojekips

You should go back and read what I said,... not what you want me to have said.

Well, you can start with virtually every treaty ever made with their own native American population,... then more recently the arrangements with the Hmong in Laos, the Marsh Arabs in Iraq.

Go on get off your lazy @rse and go and have a look for once, instead of relying on others to do your research for you.

No matter what is said senojekips they will not listen to us. There will probably not be an agreement over this so its pointless. Whatever happens, happens whether we want it or not.

Originally Posted by YuriBierazo

No matter what is said senojekips they will not listen to us. There will probably not be an agreement over this so its pointless. Whatever happens, happens whether we want it or not.

Well the problem is you guys like to try demonizing U.S and Israel to use them as an example to allow Iran nukes.

For example, Seno is stating that we should not complain about what Iran is doing when we are doing the same. We are following NPT, so we are not exactly doing the same, and hypocracy do not effect legitimacy anyways. Just like you said "who doesn't have nukes anyways?"; there are only 7 (U.S, U.K, France, Russia, China, Israel, and North Korea) countries that have nukes out of the 100+ countries out there. Do you really believe increasing the number of nuclear holders out there is a good thing? Not all countries have the mentality of the Soviets and U.S, which kept both of them from using nukes or warring with one another.

I told you why the world is and have a right to protest and sanction Iran over this, which you still have not seemed to recognize. Stop making it seem like it is just U.S and Israel that is against a nuclear Iran. U.S has been following the NPT agreements and so have the rest of the western countries. Israel is NOT part of the NPT and have never been part of it. We sanctioned them for having nukes until the 6 day war. Why did we stop sanctioning them because of the 6 day war? Because it proven that Israel will be attacked over and over (at that time), until they don't exist and that nukes was the main way to prevent it.

No threat will come from Israel, U.S, or any other western country if Iran just comply with IAEA. The only way Israel can even strike Iran is with another Arab nation and/or U.S's help. They CAN NOT do it themselves. If Iran let the IAEA do its job and prove that Iran do not have a military nuke program, then no one will be willing to help Israel strike them in fear of consequences.

Just agree with that and I will stop responding to you. Who cares if China and Russia do not want higher sanctions on Iran, are you forgetting those two countries interest are in Iran? You guys make it seem the sanctions hurt only Iran, it hurts all the countries doing the sanctions as well. My goodness it is difficult to debate with you two lol.

I told you why the world is and have a right to protest and sanction Iran over this, which you still have not seemed to recognize.

Originally Posted by Frances69

I told you why the world is and have a right to protest and sanction Iran over this, which you still have not seemed to recognize.

We know why it's done,... It's really only being protested about at the insistence of the US and Israel, (which is the same thing). The US doesn't want the Israelis to lose their nuclear advantage. I don't seem to remember this much fuss with talk of bombings and sanctions etc., when the Israelis were found to have nukes.

As for the fact that Iran has broken a voluntary agreement, you only have to have a look at your own history to know how little that means. It's all been said before.

If the Israelis never had nukes I would agree that Iran has no need either. If you want to de-escalate this middle eastern nuclear race, let the Israelis get rid of their nuclear capability first. As yet we don't even think Iran has any, so it's stupid to ask them to step down.

I'm sure that if China or Russia started re-arming the US would too,... so why can't the Iranians defend themselves similarly?

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

Well the problem is you guys like to try demonizing U.S and Israel

There is no need for anyone to "demonise" Israel and their supporters, they have been doing that themselves for over 60 years far better than I could. All I have to do is point it out.