Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

I will allow VDKMS to respond your thinking of him being biased.

Saying "I will wipe a country off the map" then researching nuclear programs to this extent is not a joke, nor should be taken as one considering the circumstances.

If someone who disagrees with you frequently say "I will come to your house and kill you" and you know this guy has a gun, would you take it as a joke? Do not be silly bud, threats such as those should always be taken seriously. Do not try to downplay this situation.

I also suggest you learn about the NPT, IAEA, etc. Obtaining nukes under these is illegal. Which Iran isn't complying with the IAEA as much as we would all like.

I wish some of you stop forgetting that it is the WORLD that is against Iran and not just U.S and Israel.

What Ahmadinejad really said was that the political elite in Israel should be wiped off and never said that Israel will be wiped off the map. Good thing about having Arabic friends who can translate a video for you huh?

So maybe the threat isn't as bad as you might be told by propaganda. There is a reason the U.S. is called the JEW.S by the rest of the world and that is because it is owned be the Jews who have a big hold over everything that happens in the government whether foreign or domestic such as this.

Like i said who cares if Iran follows policy or not. Its not like Israel or America follows the same policies, they pretty much do whatever they want. Look at all the war crimes committed by the U.S....In any other situation if it was a different country there would have been trials.

BTW in no way does the WORLD cares about Iran building nuclear weapons like Israel and the JEW.S. China offered to aid Russia in attacking America if they openly attack Iran, and Greece declined operating with Israel due to closer relations with Iran, etc

Originally Posted by YuriBierazo

What Ahmadinejad really said was that the political elite in Israel should be wiped off and never said that Israel will be wiped off the map. Good thing about having Arabic friends who can translate a video for you huh?

So maybe the threat isn't as bad as you might be told by propaganda. There is a reason the U.S. is called the JEW.S by the rest of the world and that is because it is owned be the Jews who have a big hold over everything that happens in the government whether foreign or domestic such as this.

Like i said who cares if Iran follows policy or not. Its not like Israel or America follows the same policies, they pretty much do whatever they want. Look at all the war crimes committed by the U.S....In any other situation if it was a different country there would have been trials.

BTW in no way does the WORLD cares about Iran building nuclear weapons like Israel and the JEW.S. China offered to aid Russia in attacking America if they openly attack Iran, and Greece declined operating with Israel due to closer relations with Iran, etc

I have Arabic friends, but never thought of asking them to translate it. Either way, I still don't put my trust into Iran.


U.S is called a lot of things good and bad (mostly bad) by a lot of the world, so I couldn't care about the whole Jew conspiracy thing. As long as these guys are elected then that is what the U.S people are doing. Sure the Jewish lobby can take a dumb down of sorts, but why should it? I do agree that complete support for Israel needs to go, but I will support them over all else there.

Can you please state what policies U.S and Israel are not following that Iran is also not following? As for war crimes, what conflicts are you speaking of? Iraq and Afghanistan have agreements on how to deal with U.S soldiers who commit war crimes. I am also aware that a good deal of war crimes aren't published, but what can we do about something we don't know?

Your last paragraph is incorrect.... "no one cares if Iran gets nuclear weapons"? Are you serious with that?

China offered to aid Russia in attacking America if they openly attack Iran, and Greece declined operating with Israel due to closer relations with Iran, etc

I don't see why you posted this part. If China and Russia want to go into war with U.S for Iran's sake, then let them. I believe if Iran do get attacked, it will be by Israel (with or without U.S support), which will in turn bring U.S into it. I don't recall China and Russia making a deal like that though.

As for Greece, it is understandable why they would prefer to work with Iran rather than Israel. After all, Greece is in a rather unfortunate predicament. They are/were close to defaulting are they not?

Originally Posted by senojekips

And why exactly should they, they don't pay taxes in Iran, and also the US is not complying with UN wishes regarding things like cluster munitions.

For you, the "world" is the US and Israel. I've never heard of Paraguay, or China or Ireland or any number of countries voicing their hatred of Iran. If the US was to give up their support of Israel, I think that you'd find all of their allies would too.

Because they signed an agreement.... An agreement that is legally binding. Either do not agree with it, follow it, or cancel it and show how untrustworthy you are afterwards.

It is pretty obvious why China isn't calling out so much. China only cares in its national interest. When I say "only" I mean they seriosly do not care what happens in the world unless it involves them. There are many examples of why this is so... I know most countries take there national interest above other things, but seriously, China? I am surprised you said China.


I think people like you who spout too fast about propaganda are being quite hypocritical. Unless it is something that is 100% defined, how can you with 100% say something is propaganda? I can easily say what you believe is propaganda or false based on what I read. It do not necessarily make what you said false. That is my opinion though.

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

Because they signed an agreement.... An agreement that is legally binding. Either do not agree with it, follow it, or cancel it and show how untrustworthy you are afterwards.

Untrustworthy,... like when the US told the marsh Arabs in Iran to rise up against Saddam and said that they would protect them? Then after they put their lives on the line, just turn your back on them and feed then to the dogs.

The fact that they are not abiding by a voluntary treaty carries about as much weight as the US chewing Australia's @rse about not dropping all trade barriers to their goods, while they give US grain farmers subsidies to compete against us worth almost as much as our trade share. The US is in no position to hold the blowtorch on anyone's feet about "trust". We may not buck about it on a diplomatic level, but that does not mean that we are so stupid as to not be aware of what is going on.

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

It is pretty obvious why China isn't calling out so much. China only cares in its national interest.

And of course the US is not? C'mon,.... you're not even thinking before you answer these things are you?

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

I can easily say what you believe is propaganda or false based on what I read. It do not necessarily make what you said false. That is my opinion though.

You could,.... if you read both sides of the argument, but it is quite apparent that you only read the pro US view, and as such your view is not worth your time spent expressing it.

Originally Posted by San Diego Foreign Policy Examiner

By far the greatest threat to U.S. national security is the willful unapologetic ignorance of the average American citizen. The average American tends to not care about everything that does not affect them directly. It is a worldwide recognizable trait that all other people of the world seem to know except Americans. Source: Here

It would appear that you are a perfect example of the above.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Untrustworthy,... like when the US told the marsh Arabs in Iran to rise up against Saddam and said that they would protect them? Then after they put their lives on the line, just turn your back on them and feed then to the dogs.

The fact that they are not abiding by a voluntary treaty carries about as much weight as the US chewing Australia's @rse about not dropping all trade barriers to their goods, while they give US grain farmers subsidies to compete against us worth almost as much as our trade share. The US is in no position to hold the blowtorch on anyone's feet about "trust". We may not buck about it on a diplomatic level, but that does not mean that we are so stupid as to not be aware of what is going on.

I am not sure how trade between U.S and Australia is relevant. I agree a voluntary treaty carries no weight as it is up to the person that signed it to oblige. You still missing the point though. Also I did not say U.S is trustworthy.

If you sign something and you break your deal, then the people you signed it with have a right to call foul. Just because some untrustworthy country is untrustworthy do not mean it won't complain (as it still have the right to) about another untrustworthy country being untrustworthy lol. Even when it is hypocritical. I think I could have worded that better, but you should understand, no?

Is all you going to do is compare Iran's situation to situations U.S was/is in?

And of course the US is not? C'mon,.... you're not even thinking before you answer these things are you?

I didn't say U.S isn't. I know full well countries look after its own interest before another country's which is what I said in my post. The difference between the west and China is that China completely looks after its own. It only does stuff that strengthens itself. Every country is guilty of being selfish once in awhile, however, I believe China takes the top.

You could,.... if you read both sides of the argument, but it is quite apparent that you only read the pro US view, and as such your view is not worth your time spent expressing it.

You can read both sides all you want and still succumb to propaganda, though the chance is lessened.

Originally Posted by RayManKiller3

I am not sure how trade between U.S and Australia is relevant. I agree a voluntary treaty carries no weight as it is up to the person that signed it to oblige. You still missing the point though. Also I did not say U.S is trustworthy.

No.... I'm certainly not missing the point. Wouldn't you think, that if you know your own country is not necessarily trustworthy in matters of self interest, that there's a certain degree of hypocrisy in calling out someone else's country because you say that they are doing the same?

I really think that you'd be very wise to stay right away from using the matter of broken agreements to support your argument..... and as you would say, "I'm not saying all governments don't do it" What I am saying, is that it's not a thing to base your argument on, and still expect any degree of respect or credibility.

Originally Posted by senojekips

No.... I'm certainly not missing the point. Wouldn't you think, that if you know your own country is not necessarily trustworthy in matters of self interest, that there's a certain degree of hypocrisy in calling out someone else's country because you say that they are doing the same?

I really think that you'd be very wise to stay right away from using the matter of broken agreements to support your argument..... and as you would say, "I'm not saying all governments don't do it" What I am saying, is that it's not a thing to base your argument on, and still expect any degree of respect or credibility.

Do you not recall me saying it was hypocritical? Even though it is hypocritical, they still have a right to call foul when someone breaks an agreement with them. Sure it causes them to lose respect and credibility, I never said it didn't. I am basically saying that U.S, Israel, and all other countries protesting Iran have a right to do so, even though what they are doing is hypocritical.

I personally don't trust Iran, however, I am also against those wishing for more conflicts. I just wish Iran would clarify what they are doing so it would speed up the process that we are in. The fact they are not clarifying it beyond speeches, makes it seem more likely they are taking illegal actions. This is what is going to cause Israel to strike them and justifiably so.
If they don't have a military nuclear program, then why are they being so reluctant? If they have one then it will almost guarantee an Israeli strike. They are the ones that can end all this conflict by showing off to the West how much of a paranoid idiot we are, simply by giving the IAEA the access they desire (of course limited only by what the IAEA is allowed by law).

So no, I do not think I an contradicting myself. We all look after our national interest, however when one forgets all else just for national interest, it becomes complete selfishness. A country of their degree could do a little better in solving conflicts don't you think? Also if we go by what you said, not one single country (or person withing that country) can comment on another country's handling of a situation. As far as I am aware every country that existed done what other countries done.

For example: Why are you complaining about Israel "colonizing" Palestine, when Great Britain (I am sure you're ancestors are from there), colonized Australia from the Aboriginals?

You will say "because times were different", but I see that as only an excuse.

Originally Posted by YuriBierazo

Just a firm supporter of Israel?

If they are right they are right. If they are wrong they are wrong.

Originally Posted by senojekips

And why exactly should they, they don't pay taxes in Iran, and also the US is not complying with UN wishes regarding things like cluster munitions.

They don't have to comply because they didn't sign it. Just as Irael, China, Russia and Iran among others
Signatories and Ratifying States

Originally Posted by YuriBierazo

China offered to aid Russia in attacking America if they openly attack Iran, and Greece declined operating with Israel due to closer relations with Iran, etc

Where in the hell did you get that information?