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View Poll Results :Marriage Laws.
I Support Gay Marriage. 9 19.57%
I Am Against Gay Marriage. 20 43.48%
The Government Has No Right To Say Who Someone Can or Can't Marry. 16 34.78%
Marriage Should Always Be Between A Man And A Woman. 19 41.30%
Gay Marriage Destroys Family Values. 16 34.78%
This Doesn't Affect Me, Why Should I Deny It To Someone Else? 17 36.96%
Laws Against Gay Marriage Are A Step Back For Society. 11 23.91%
Laws Against Gay Marriage Are A Step Forward For Society. 10 21.74%
Gay Pride Parades Are Ridiculous. 18 39.13%
The Gay Rights Movement is the New Civil Rights Movement. 6 13.04%
No One Is Born Gay. 7 15.22%
Civil Unions are a good middle ground 10 21.74%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

 
December 13th, 2008   Post 1
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THIS POLL IS MULTIPLE ANSWER AND PUBLIC.

Okay, this is a bit of an expansion on my last thread. What are your views and why? I'm just trying to get a consensus on how everyone feels about it here.
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December 13th, 2008   Post 2
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This is what I voted...


I Am Against Gay Marriage.
The Government Has No Right To Say Who Someone Can or Can't Marry.
Marriage Should Always Be Between A Man And A Woman.
Gay Marriage Destroys Family Values.
Laws Against Gay Marriage Are A Step Back For Society.
Gay Pride Parades Are Ridiculous.


I am 100% against homosexual marriage. I am 100% against the open flaunting of homosexual relationships. I am 100% against the idea that being gay means you should be treated special.

I believe that if you want to be gay. Fine.... keep it in the bedroom or at least act responsible in public. Most of what I have seen of Gay Pride Parades are nothing but open displays of sexual acts. Fantasy Fest in Key West, Florida and the Homosexual events that happen in San Francisco, California. Those are all simply public sex acts. People performing sexual intercourse on public streets, perform oral sex, etc... WRONG!

You want to be gay... fine. You want to kiss your partner in public fine. You want to show affection. Fine. But don't do what most of the more vocal part of the gay community does. Act Responsible. I have very close people to me that are gay. Both male and female.... I have no issue with them being gay. As a Catholic I am against them marrying someone but that is an issue between me, them, and God. But it is the same issue with abortions. I am against abortions but I will not support any law outlawing them.

But I am also 100% against the State stepping in and saying who can and can't get married. Even though I am against homosexual relationships I will stand up and support them getting the right for marriage. The State has not right to deny them that right. Just as the State has no right to deny me my rights to free speech and my right to keep and bear arms.

You cannot have a one set of rights while not having another. You cannot give the State power over matters like this. Because once that is done the State will expand.... and that is bad.
 
December 13th, 2008   Post 3
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Where is Civil Unions in this poll? Since I like compromise, I am in favor of civil Unions
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December 13th, 2008   Post 4
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Quote:
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Where is Civil Unions in this poll? Since I like compromise, I am in favor of civil Unions
Ah, I KNEW I was forgetting something!
 
December 13th, 2008   Post 5
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I used my mod powers to add in Civil Unions. I won't vote until I get your "blessing."
 
December 13th, 2008   Post 6
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Before I vote, a point of clarification please:

When it says I am FOR/AGAINST do you mean as a personal view or legally?

For example: I personally I am repulsed by the idea of two men marrying, however since gay marriage has no effect on me personally I can see no reason to draft laws to ban it. I mind my own business.

If you mean it should be legally than you have a few choices on the board that are the same.
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December 13th, 2008   Post 7
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same as ibve said before on similar discussions.

I believe in civil rights. I believe in democracy. You cant say those two things and than say "but not for gays".

If they want to marry each other, let them.
As for gay pride parades...I dont go on the street shouting "I'm straight!" and dancing in my underwear. neither should they in my honest opinion.
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December 13th, 2008   Post 8
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vote away, vote away.
 
December 13th, 2008   Post 9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
Before I vote, a point of clarification please:

When it says I am FOR/AGAINST do you mean as a personal view or legally?

For example: I personally I am repulsed by the idea of two men marrying, however since gay marriage has no effect on me personally I can see no reason to draft laws to ban it. I mind my own business.

If you mean it should be legally than you have a few choices on the board that are the same.
I voted based on my believes.

Since it is multiple vote.

I voted against gay marriage.

But did not vote on the government being able to decide.
The reason I didn't vote on that issue is.
It is complicated by who you consider the government.
The States have been regulating marriage since the beginning.
For example how old you had to be to marry.
Marriage had been understood to be between man and women.
When states started to legislate and the courts decided to allow gay marriage. The voters petitioned to ban gay marriage and then voted to ban it. So the question of the government deciding who can marry depends on who you are talking about.
If you think of the government as the people then you would answer based on whether you thought the people had a right to decide.
If you think of the government is the elected bodies then you would vote on whether the elected officials should decide.

The elected officials deciding to allow it, and then voters voted no.
I just did not vote on that part at all. It gave me a headache.
 
December 14th, 2008   Post 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
Before I vote, a point of clarification please:

When it says I am FOR/AGAINST do you mean as a personal view or legally?

For example: I personally I am repulsed by the idea of two men marrying, however since gay marriage has no effect on me personally I can see no reason to draft laws to ban it. I mind my own business.

Friendly and interested question for you re the above sentiment MM, only very slightly off-topic.

As you feel as you do, when, may it please God, you have little 4-10 years old boys at primary school, will you be happy for them to instructed that this was not only perfectly acceptable, but also perfectly normal and a life-style and practice of precisely the same credit to society as marriage and family between a man and a woman.

If such instruction is compulsory, how will that effect your own business.
Will you then feel that you said nothing and now they are coming for you and yours?
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