Originally Posted by Korean Seaboy

Ooops. Perhaps my numbers were a little outdated. Sorry...

It is quite understandable that rural birth rates rose. Particularly in rural areas people are becoming much more religious, more observant, more hard-line, if you wish. No matter, Orthodox Christian or Muslim or Buddhist. People feel a lot less faith in their government, so they turn to their God of choice instead. And the more religious a family is, at least in this country, the more children it has. Orthodox priests teach that a family with only one child is a 'catastrophe' not only for that family, but in the long run for the nation as a whole. Most priests themselves have large broods, as an example to their followers




And so people do learn from that, follow the example.


Especially now, that not only you get US$10000 per second and subsequent child you have, but also families with 3 or more children get a free plot of land. It is now not only a faithful activity, but a prfitable, worthvile one lol

My point here is, once again, reproducing own population is far better than importing some alien culture.

That is why it is nice to see Russian families getting bigger, all kinds of them, Orthodox


Muslim


Jewish


or Buryat (Mongol, Buddhist)


Biggest family in Russia now is that of Father Nikolai, a Orthodox priest in Irkutsk

They have 19 children of their own, plus a couple dozen they adopted from all over Siberia.

Now, if we could only solve the death rate issue. But to solve that, we'd have to solve alcoholism, and that is unsolvable here, I'm afraid, at least yet.

Very good post Prapor, IMHO. If I could find the like button I would click it.

Originally Posted by Prapor

Now, if we could only solve the death rate issue. But to solve that, we'd have to solve alcoholism, and that is unsolvable here, I'm afraid, at least yet.

If I were you I would be careful of what I wished for because I guarantee you that the day after you solve the death rate you will see the birth rate fall as well.

As far as importing culture goes well in the end we are all African but there isn't one nation in Europe that can claim to be a "pure" culture, if it wasn't the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Vandals, Goths, Gauls, vikings or Moors stomping around the place it was the French, English, Germans or Russians transplanting parts of their culture through out Europe.

If I was to look at New Zealand and argue that we would be better off promoting our own culture I would first have to decide what a New Zealander is, at a guess I would have to say that a modern Kiwi is multiple parts European, part Maori, part Pacific Islander with a pinch of Asian/Indian thrown in for good measure, what exactly do I exclude to make a real "New Zealander"?

Originally Posted by MontyB

If I were you I would be careful of what I wished for because I guarantee you that the day after you solve the death rate you will see the birth rate fall as well.

As far as importing culture goes well in the end we are all African but there isn't one nation in Europe that can claim to be a "pure" culture, if it wasn't the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Vandals, Goths, Gauls, vikings or Moors stomping around the place it was the French, English, Germans or Russians transplanting parts of their culture through out Europe.

If I was to look at New Zealand and argue that we would be better off promoting our own culture I would first have to decide what a New Zealander is, at a guess I would have to say that a modern Kiwi is multiple parts European, part Maori, part Pacific Islander with a pinch of Asian/Indian thrown in for good measure, what exactly do I exclude to make a real "New Zealander"?

Russia is 160 indegenous cultures all a part of one big identity. Sure, we are different, but we all have certain values in common. Like... well, I have to tell the truth, all of us don't like the gays. Even Buddhists. Open-minded and peaceful as they are supposed to be, in Buddhist regions (Tyva, Buryatia, Kalmykia), people suspected of abnormal sexual tendencies are not allowed into temples. Or, if they already came in, they are asked to leave.

Originally Posted by Prapor

Russia is 160 indegenous cultures all a part of one big identity. Sure, we are different, but we all have certain values in common. Like... well, I have to tell the truth, all of us don't like the gays. Even Buddhists. Open-minded and peaceful as they are supposed to be, in Buddhist regions (Tyva, Buryatia, Kalmykia), people suspected of abnormal sexual tendencies are not allowed into temples. Or, if they already came in, they are asked to leave.

Damn Catholics must be few and far between there, but given the already existent diversity how can you argue against immigration.

If the country needs specific people or trades then immigration is the best fix there is.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Damn Catholics must be few and far between there, but given the already existent diversity how can you argue against immigration.

If the country needs specific people or trades then immigration is the best fix there is.

There is a Catholic community. Biggest Catholic monument in Russia is the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Virgin Mary in Moscow


Built in 1911 for Moscow's Polish community, it was shut down under the Communists, but recently repaired, reopened, and is now used by both Muskovites of Polish ancestry and ethnic Russian converts to Catholicism. There is believed to be as many as 426 Catholic communities in Russia whith some 789,000 followers. There is a large group in South-East Siberia, particularly Irkutsk oblast, where there are many descendants of Polish people exiled there under the Tsars and then Communists, who've kept their faith, culture, and even speak a strange sort of Russo-Polish dialect. And a large community in Moscow. And a smaller one in Saint Petersburg. But, of course, the Orthodox Church does not like competition, they have attacked the Catholics and other Christian rival organizations, violently. They had two Jehowa's Witness preachers murdered by mafia hitmen in Moscow; and in Volgograd, a Catholic missinary was killed, to which the Church is also thought to be connected.

It is a big problem. I know, believe me.

As for skilled workers, I cannot speak for Moscow, maybe they need skilled workers. In my region, where we Cossacks live, there is a very limited number of skills requiered. Men need to know how to work on a farm, and how to fight, to defend their family; and women must know how to cook, clean, and care for children. We simply do not need anything else. We reject most modern technology, like Internet. We use mobile phones, only because it is cheaper and easier to install a tower than to try to pull land lines into our villages. But other than that, we live as our ancestors have done under the Tsars.

Alright, we also have fire extinguishers lol You don't realy need much 'skills' to use one of those if God forbid it came to that.

But besides that...

We even put up walls around our compounds, to keep the 'modern' world (lazy, drunk, and immoral to our leaders) away from our homes and our children.


Unless chopping firewood is consider skilled labor now, no, we don't need any. If Moscow does, let them keep it.

Originally Posted by Prapor

No, seriously, you Euros need to seriously think about who you let inside your countries. We in Russia don't like to go to Paris anymore, because, well, you may as well go visit Algeria, if you know what I mean.

Perhaps we Euro's should also seriously think about letting the Russian tourists come to our countries. They have built reputation for themselves that is far from pretty, if you know what I mean? I can' think what will happen when all of these children will come too...

Originally Posted by Ted

Perhaps we Euro's should also seriously think about letting the Russian tourists come to our countries. They have built reputation for themselves that is far from pretty, if you know what I mean? I can' think what will happen when all of these children will come too...

I know what you mean.

Those are so-called 'new Russians', rich Mucovites and such. Spoiled, arrogant people. In the South, we don't behave like that, we have dignity, self-respect. Believe me, we don't like those tourists any better than you guys lol

Originally Posted by MontyB

For the most part immigrants are people trying to move up in the world, USA is full of Hispanics, New Zealand is full of Samoans and Tongans, Australia is full of English criminals (sorry couldn't resist) and New Zealanders.

this is the best sentence i have seen so far on this forum