I just wanted to get some opinions on Global warming. From what I have gathered it seems to be a naturally occurring phenomenon. Astronomers and scientists have actually discovered warming and cooling patterns on planets that to our knowledge don't even have a single life form residing on them.

So if it is a natural thing, then why are the governments of our world so pushy about it? If pollution is causing global warming on earth, what in the HE Double Hockey Sticks is causing it on other planets?

What do you feel is behind all of this?

Perhaps dwindling natural resources, and nations looking to scare people into rationing things?

Just looking to get some other people's views on this subject, and if they think governments play a role in it. Or maybe we are just filling the earth up with trash and its overheating...lol.

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

I just wanted to get some opinions on Global warming. From what I have gathered it seems to be a naturally occurring phenomenon. Astronomers and scientists have actually discovered warming and cooling patterns on planets that to our knowledge don't even have a single life form residing on them.

So if it is a natural thing, then why are the governments of our world so pushy about it? If pollution is causing global warming on earth, what in the HE Double Hockey Sticks is causing it on other planets?

What do you feel is behind all of this?

Perhaps dwindling natural resources, and nations looking to scare people into rationing things?

Just looking to get some other people's views on this subject, and if they think governments play a role in it. Or maybe we are just filling the earth up with trash and its overheating...lol.

The heating and cooling cycles are for the most part natural events earth has been through the cycle multiple times in its 5 billion year history and I suspect other planets are no different, we are all just equilibriums.

However many people believe (myself included) that mans actions are also adding to this cycle and in doing so tipping the equilibrium how much we are adding is what is up for debate, I personally think we are adding enough to the process to be measurable and are perhaps even driving the extremes we are seeing in weather patterns but I do not believe we are beyond being able to fix things either.

Think of the Earth as a salt water fish tank, a few fish and things are great, start adding more fish and the tank gets toxic pretty quick if you do not maintain it.

Why are the governments of the world enforcing such strict rules on pollution and clean energy and so on? I'm guessing it's just the conservation of resources. Or a plot to make prices rise.

I am guessing to make money as that seems to be the only ambition of governments world wide.

I tend to think that people have a slightly different mindset these days, things such as conservation of energy and protecting the environment have a much higher priority than they did say 40-50 years ago, I am not really sure it has a whole lot to do with global climate change though.

Well here in the US at least they try and play everything off as somehow causing global warming. Hence the reason our coal mines were closed in Southern Illinois for a while.

I may be wrong here but coal mining in itself does not contribute a hell of a lot to climate change however a lot of places have reached a conclusion that a pristine environment attracts more tourist dollars than a bloody great hole in the ground especially when you add in the the amount of pollution a coal fired power plant produces.

I think (and hope) that development will continue with coal systems in order to make them more environmentally palatable in the future as coal is one of the few resources we still have in abundance but at this stage I don't think too many people want to see a skyline defined by chimney stacks burning coal.

Back in the 70s people were pushing "The New Ice Age" & thier plan to combat it was more Govt control of the economy. Today it is "Global Warming", recently changed to "Climate Change", (some of tyhe same people are invilved) with calls to combat it by increasing Govt controll of the economy. Seems like nothing more than a ploy by Statists to increase Govt control of the economy. Notice that some of them admit they want a lower standard of living to be a result.

i hope this doesn't go the way of previous global warming threads...

on the resource side of things i have done some reading on the possibility of "quick oil"and artificial petroleum made from the sun...

Originally Posted by usinfantryMOS11c10

I just wanted to get some opinions on Global warming. From what I have gathered it seems to be a naturally occurring phenomenon. Astronomers and scientists have actually discovered warming and cooling patterns on planets that to our knowledge don't even have a single life form residing on them.

So if it is a natural thing, then why are the governments of our world so pushy about it? If pollution is causing global warming on earth, what in the HE Double Hockey Sticks is causing it on other planets?

What do you feel is behind all of this?

Perhaps dwindling natural resources, and nations looking to scare people into rationing things?

Just looking to get some other people's views on this subject, and if they think governments play a role in it. Or maybe we are just filling the earth up with trash and its overheating...lol.

The answer is Volcanoes, which spew out CO2 in massive amounts. Venus experienced run away Global warming as Volcanoes spewed out CO2 and it's oceans boiled, which became steam and further added to global warming, and then eventually escaped into space. In the late permian era, the Earth was already %40 hotter, but when a massive, 1,000,000 year long volcanic eruption that covered an area of at least 2 million square miles spewed out enough CO2 to raise the Earth's average temperature by 5 degrees, this warmed the earth enough to start melting Methane Hydrate gas en masse, which warmed the earth by another 5 degrees and reacted with the Oxygen in the atmosphere, causing it to drop down to a mere %10 of the atmosphere, allowing Anaerobic bacteria to bloom in number and produce Hydrogen sulfide, killing most of the marine life forms in the sea. %90-%95 of all life died in this event, and if we continue on our path, we could start a second extinction on this scale.

Originally Posted by Czin

The answer is Volcanoes, which spew out CO2 in massive amounts. Venus experienced run away Global warming as Volcanoes spewed out CO2 and it's oceans boiled, which became steam and further added to global warming, and then eventually escaped into space. In the late permian era, the Earth was already %40 hotter, but when a massive, 1,000,000 year long volcanic eruption that covered an area of at least 2 million square miles spewed out enough CO2 to raise the Earth's average temperature by 5 degrees, this warmed the earth enough to start melting Methane Hydrate gas en masse, which warmed the earth by another 5 degrees and reacted with the Oxygen in the atmosphere, causing it to drop down to a mere %10 of the atmosphere, allowing Anaerobic bacteria to bloom in number and produce Hydrogen sulfide, killing most of the marine life forms in the sea. %90-%95 of all life died in this event, and if we continue on our path, we could start a second extinction on this scale.

Just what I figured, something totally natural. I think our impact on the ozone layer pales in comparison to naturally occurring events.

It just gets me though that people would use such an event to drive prices up and so on.

Back to the science part of this though........

Haven't they also been looking into global warming on gas planets?