Who started this??

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In fact the media is heavily biased towards Business interests, and portrays Deniers as Davids against Goliaths. This is true as far as the science is concerned, but in terms of public relations and politics it is very much the other way around. Scientists naively keep using rational arguments, and expect the public to listen. The Denial industry is extensive but cunning and covert, cleverly hiding the links back to the fossil fuel industry and employing some of the best public relations experts, the same ones that delayed tobacco legislation. They only need to spread uncertainty, conspiracy and that climate change is another excuse to tax. You can guess who is really winning hands down.

Yeah,... I'm secretly on the payroll of Allied and Pacific Coal. Just where do you dredge up this crap.

Wake up FFS, science doesn't have the answers, they can't even present reliable data, having to "finesse" it before they are willing to put it up for public scrutiny. Christ if they're worried about the "dopey uneducated" public seeing through their scam they haven't really got much going for them have they. Anyway, they are largely too late as people are waking up to them, as they always will.

Global Warming,... tell it to the Europeans where it was reported recently that 29 have died due to the unseasonably cold weather. It's NOT global warming,... it's Climate Change, where our weather patterns are moving (as they have since pre history) the net world wide effect being virtually nil.

Isn't it now the case that vast global business interests are now hand in glove with man-created climate change scare industry and empire, with all the political opportunities for gigantic fortune making; just another great bubble to pump up and pump up until it bursts just like the stock market bubble -burst we have just encountered. Even now they are filling their boots with carbon permit shares trading at the expense of horrific tax impositions to be suffered by the tax-payer. Big Business, politicians, and the global warming tyrants - all tucked up in the same boat.

Is this not so?

In England 2009 I am experiencing nothing but the same ol', same ol', weather wise. In fact, it's bloody freezing, let me tell you - it was always thus. And yes - I have seen all this flooding etc. before : and the only hot summer I can recall was 1976! Definitely not 2009, to be sure.

Any heat is simply the rubbing together of the hands of the global warming tycoons, and their cohorts of career self-proclaimed experts.

Is that a rant??

Originally Posted by senojekips

Yeah,... I'm secretly on the payroll of Allied and Pacific Coal. Just where do you dredge up this crap.

It makes more sense than your argument that almost every field of science is involved in a gigantic conspiracy to make up climate change in order to extract vast sums of money from the poor "uneducated" public and this only being exposed by the unbiased views of the very companies who have the most to lose if this "conspiracy" succeeds.

Can I suggest looking into the principle attributed to a 14th Century Franciscan Friar named William of Ockham, his principle has remained true right the way through to present times and I suspect will remain accurate for centuries to come.

PS. I take it "finessed" is the new buzzword of the week I guess if you say it often enough others will believe it.

Originally Posted by Del Boy

Is that a rant??

Yes it is.

Are you sure? I like to know these things. If it is, it is an increasingly widely shared one.

And yes, it is a tax extraction project now that the possibilities have been recognised by the predators. Who can tell where the bandwagon will lead.

Is that another rant?

Originally Posted by MontyB

It makes more sense than your argument that almost every field of science is involved in a gigantic conspiracy to make up climate change in order to extract vast sums of money from the poor "uneducated" public and this only being exposed by the unbiased views of the very companies who have the most to lose if this "conspiracy" succeeds.

Only if you are one of their followers.

PS. I take it "finessed" is the new buzzword of the week I guess if you say it often enough others will believe it.

I dunno, it was how the scammers themselves described their fiddling of the data. I just repeat the facts as i read them. I don't make them up or attempt to misconstrue them like our more "learned" friends.

I form my opinions from what i see, I don't try to make the data fit my argument. It helps a lot.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Only if you are one of their followers.

So now I am in on the conspiracy as well, perhaps I need a few billion to research my involvement then.

I dunno, it was how the scammers themselves described their fiddling of the data. I just repeat the facts as i read them. I don't make them up or attempt to misconstrue them like our more "learned" friends.

I form my opinions from what i see, I don't try to make the data fit my argument. It helps a lot.

The problem is that no one but you and Fox seems to believe there was any fiddling of the books but given that they are selling the same footage over and over again and calling them different events I am not sure anyone takes Fox too seriously.

As far as I can tell not one serious review of the data by the media or anyone else has uncovered anything more than the usual banter between an email group or are the media in on the conspiracy too?

But hey lets not let fact get in the way of dogma.

Originally Posted by MontyB

So now I am in on the conspiracy as well, perhaps I need a few billion to research my involvement then.

I never saied that, but it appears you can see a connection, I'm not going to argue with you.

The problem is that no one but you and Fox seems to believe there was any fiddling of the books but given that they are selling the same footage over and over again and calling them different events I am not sure anyone takes Fox too seriously.

That would be fine if it were only Fox who reported on it, but it was featured in our state papers neither of which are scandal rags, taking their copy from AAP/Reuters etc.

As far as I can tell not one serious review of the data by the media or anyone else has uncovered anything more than the usual banter between an email group or are the media in on the conspiracy too?

But hey lets not let fact get in the way of dogma.

But there was enough to arouse suspicions, and it was shown that the figures were fiddled for public consumption.

This was reported by a lot more than Fox News (Which we do not get here anyway) As I said earlier, that's not good enough because it doesn't suit your story.

Can I suggest looking into the principle attributed to a 14th Century Franciscan Friar named William of Ockham, his principle has remained true right the way through to present times and I suspect will remain accurate for centuries to come.

Either the fossil fuel industry, their execs and shareholders wish to continue maximising profits by lobbying politicians and through employing fringe groups to do their dirty Public Relations work, or

its a conspiracy by several groups of independent scientists who have miraculously all fudged the data in the same way over many decades and arrive at the same conclusion.

Difficult one!