Originally Posted by MontyB

Perhaps I can make this easier for all of us, if you don't like what people say on the boards and you are not prepared to put some effort into proving your point why are you wasting your and our time by posting here?

I enjoy when people learn from their own mistakes.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I agree so spare us the self promotion and self righteous indignation and either say something useful or go away so that others can, its really not that difficult.

I'll make it easy for you, if you don't like what I have to say, ignore me.

Originally Posted by Kunikov

I'll make it easy for you, if you don't like what I have to say, ignore me.

First you would actually have to say something.

So far all I see is a lot of self promotion and very little substance.

So anyway, back on topic. A 2 season campaign is something that might have had a good chance of succeeding. Indeed, members of another forum attempting to role-play such a scenario but due to the huge complexity of actually running a simulation of the Eastern Front it broke down. Kunikov is probably aware of this as I am fairly sure he is also a member of the same forum:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...n+barbaros sa

Originally Posted by Doppleganger

So anyway, back on topic. A 2 season campaign is something that might have had a good chance of succeeding. Indeed, members of another forum attempting to role-play such a scenario but due to the huge complexity of actually running a simulation of the Eastern Front it broke down. Kunikov is probably aware of this as I am fairly sure he is also a member of the same forum:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...n+barbaros sa

I really cannot see how a two campaign strategy would have worked given the comparative strengths and weaknesses of both armies at what would have been the end of the first campaign and the start of the second one.

My impression is that the Germans achieved as much as they did by not allowing the Russians a respite and time to regroup and rearm as soon as they were given that chance the tide of the war in the east changed which had to be expected when fighting a nation with such large quantities of resources.

Originally Posted by Doppleganger

So anyway, back on topic. A 2 season campaign is something that might have had a good chance of succeeding. Indeed, members of another forum attempting to role-play such a scenario but due to the huge complexity of actually running a simulation of the Eastern Front it broke down. Kunikov is probably aware of this as I am fairly sure he is also a member of the same forum:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...n+barbaros sa

An exercise in futility, especially since the essence of Blitzkrieg, is once again, ignored.

Well I think the Germans were going on what had worked in France also I think they underestamated the harshness of the Russian Winter.

Originally Posted by Kunikov

I enjoy when people learn from their own mistakes.

Ahhh,.... now I see the true weakness of your argument.

Only an average person learns from his mistakes, but a really smart person learns from the mistakes of others. Like You.

Originally Posted by Josh678

Well I think the Germans were going on what had worked in France also I think they underestamated the harshness of the Russian Winter.

The idea of fighting in the Winter was overlooked since the campaign was supposed to end before it. France was a fluke for Germany in the sense that it was planned to be a long campaign. What happened surprised them as much as the rest of the world. There are those that believe it wasn't Blitzkrieg, a theory and idea that I agree with.

Well I don't thik the Germans thought the Russians would pull back and only fight in the Winter months.

Originally Posted by Josh678

Well I don't thik the Germans thought the Russians would pull back and only fight in the Winter months.

Pull back? Pulling back would have eliminated any and all pockets of resistance, that's the opposite of what happened. The Red Army fought for dozens of cities and towns, hence the high numbers of POWs taken by the Germans. As for fighting 'only...in the winter months'...military actions on the Eastern Front took place year round.