Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

There is no such thing as a International Driver's License or International Driver's Document. I arrest many foreign nationals (illegal immigrants) that have these documents.

There is a International Driving Permit....

If the Federal Governments use of the term "International Drivers License" bothers you that much, may I suggest that you take your complant up with the United States Federal Government, a Federal Government I myself provided a link to.

Here are some links you can use to voice your frustration with the US Federal Government on the matter....

http://www.state.gov/

http://www.fbi.gov/

http://www.usa.gov/


Good luck.

A US Citizen has 10 Rights as outlined in the first 10 amendments of the United States of America or more commonly called the Bill of Rights, everything else is a privilege granted to you by the government whether you like it or not.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Yes, you can. The signs in the state of Florida have no authority.

If you as a business owner or as an acting agent of authority for the business informed an individual that the business does not allow the carrying of firearms within the business and the person refuses to leave. You may call the police. Once the police arrive they must inform the individual that they cannot carry a firearm within the business. If the individual still does not comply, the police officer may arrest the individual for tresspassing with a firearm. Which is a felony.

In Florida, a Felony is a crime with a prison term of 366 days or more in a state prison. A Misdemeanor is a crime with a jail term of 365 days or less in a county jail.

County jail holds criminals of Misdemeanor crimes
State Prison holds criminals of Felony crimes

Ok then in effect the right to "bear arms" can be infringed by property rights ie if I don't want you to carry on my property (both private and commercial) I have the right to stop you and it will be backed by the law.

It's your property, infringement has nothing to do with that. It's your frakking property.

You can make a rule that would not allow folks to wear pants on your property if you want. Property rights and 2nd amendment rights are two seperate issues.

Nice try in playing the game.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

It's your property, infringement has nothing to do with that. It's your frakking property.

You can make a rule that would not allow folks to wear pants on your property if you want. Property rights and 2nd amendment rights are two seperate issues.

Nice try in playing the game.

Not sure you can make that rule as public nudity and indecency laws would probably override it.

As far as playing games go I don't see the game you and others have claimed that your 2nd amendment rights cannot be infringed and I have just given you an example of how at least part of it can be done legally and thus indicating that it is not carved in stone.

Lets face it the literal interpretation of that right would allow you to bear arms anywhere you liked any time you liked as anything else would be infringing on your right.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Not sure you can make that rule as public nudity and indecency laws would probably override it.

As far as playing games go I don't see the game you and others have claimed that your 2nd amendment rights cannot be infringed and I have just given you an example of how at least part of it can be done legally and thus indicating that it is not carved in stone.

Lets face it the literal interpretation of that right would allow you to bear arms anywhere you liked any time you liked as anything else would be infringing on your right.

Here, allow me to play along.
The Right is there not so one must allow me to enter their home with my Weapon in the United States of America, but rather there so one cannot complain that I have a Weapon in my home, a Weapon that they would like to see removed, and then have the Government act as an agent in the removal of such, likewise the Federal Government cannot act alone and just get tired of people having Firearms, and decide to have them all removed from Private Ownership.
The Amendment is a restriction on the Federal Government infringing on the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, not a Law requiring that someone like Firearms and or own Firearms if one does not wish to in the first place.
Although, there are places the Federal Government, along with State Governments, in which a private Citizen cannot keep nor bear Arms, like a Courthouse for instance, along with many other State and Federal Buildings. Aircraft also come to mind as a place where one cannot keep nor bear Arms if they are a Private Citizen, but the Right is still there, it is pretty much a choice to fly in an Aircraft after all, and as far as a Courthouse and other Federal Buildings, well if one is ordered there, then I guess one would just have to suck it up for the short time one would be inside, there are Armed Guards at many of the State and Federal Buildings, so, even if the Nation falls under attack when one was inside, inside and far away from their Firearm, well the Armed Guards could perhaps offer covering fire, so one may be able to make it back to their Vehicle and be with their gun.

Employment is also not a Right in the United States of America, so, one does not just walk into a company and sit down and claim "here I am, I work here now, and I'm keeping my Gun on my person, as it is my right"

Like the Freedom of Speech, there is only the Right to speak, there is no such Right in Federal Law that one must be heard, or that one is agreed with, but still, the Right to Speak it is there.
That means that one does not have to listen to things that they may disagree with, but one cannot stop someone else from having the Right to Speak freely, even if someone does not like what others have to say.
One does not however have to allow the person into their home to say what is on their mind, as there is no such right in law for that action to take place.
It is a protection Citizens enjoy, a protection from the Government, either acting alone, or acting as an agent against other Citizens exercising a Right, a Right guaranteed by the Government.

There is no Federal Law that a person is required by Law to own a Firearm, although there was at one time in America for most of the General Population, so I really do not see what all the fuss is about with some groups in America. The Federal Government is saying that while one does not by Law need to keep a Firearm, however those wishing and able will be allowed by Law to own a Firearm.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

3rd bag on the way . . .

Originally Posted by MontyB

Ok then in effect the right to "bear arms" can be infringed by property rights ie if I don't want you to carry on my property (both private and commercial) I have the right to stop you and it will be backed by the law.

What exactly do you not understand about
"Shall not be infringed"

it does not say "may not be infringed" or "should not be infringed", that my friend is a huge difference.

Definitions:

"shall' implies a mandatory statement, the word "should" implies an advisory statement, and the word "may" implies the right to use discretion.

in·fringe play_w("I0136400") (n-frnj)v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
v.tr.1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.

v.intr. To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infringed

The person is not infringing your right to bear arms they are telling you if you want to have a weapon you must leave for then you are no longer welcome, they are not taking your gun away. Their personal property is their personal property they own it they can do whatever they want on it. If they don't like what you are saying they can ask you to leave.

"criminals ignore gun laws," I personally don't believe it. They are just nice men with a bad name. lolol.

I laughed my head off when I read the beginning part of that. A five year study to figure that out huh? Wow, I feel safe being protected by an FBI that doesn't have the common sense to figure that out without having the numbers "for sure" posted.

Please, help!