Originally Posted by phoenix80

home.att.net is one of the most useless and ignorant sources of info

Yeah, so is globalsecurity

Rather than dismissing my sources, can you find any that deny mine?

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

Read that line over and over again so you don't end up like Michael Moore. Anyone can dream something up, that's why we call it fiction not reality.

Don't you think it is worth investigating alternatives for which you have no preliminary evidence, once you realize that the facts that you do have don't add up? Furthermore, Damien provided some source that supports my theory.

Originally Posted by Damien435

I don't think this is the first time something like his would have happened. The Canadian company Avro cancelled their Arrow in the 1950's, an aircraft that was years ahead of its time, and instead adopted to use US Army Nike missiles to defend their skies from Soviet bombers. This was at the time seen as another attempt by American companies to dominate the defense industry of the West. But in the 70's the Royal Canadian Mounted Police announced that the Soviet's had a spy in the Avro company. And only a few years after the cancellation of the Arrow the Mig-25 flew for the first time, a plane which had a startling resemblance to the Arrow.

Bleh, I don't think it was the Mig-25 I meant to say, looks like it is time to put the old noggin to some use.

On www.irandefence.net and Israeli dude told me that Israel is forced to buy military towels and M-16s from the U.S., rather than using the Israeli-made Galil AR, in order to get support on other military projects.

Re: Your other post

It seems that the F-104 would have made for a pretty good "undownable" recon aircraft, rather than a ground-attack one. Germany did actually use them for this purpose aswell.

I have also always thought that the Starfighter's wings were awefully small to create enough uplift to keep the vehicle in the air. Maybe they gambled that this would not matter so much at high speeds and indeed would make higher supersonic velocities easier to achieve?

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

Read that line over and over again so you don't end up like Michael Moore. Anyone can dream something up, that's why we call it fiction not reality.

Actually, he does have some good points, Lockheed did bribe a lot of European leaders in the 60's and 70's, almost brought the company down.

And Mohmar,

I think you are right, the only reason I can see for the aircraft having such small wings is for stability during high speeds (greater than Mach 1). I am going to go out on a limb and guess that most of the German accidents happened while trying to maneuver at lower speeds (less than Mach 1) and the aircraft went into an uncontrolled spin. As someone said before, this aircraft was built during the reign of the Bomber Generals who arguably knew less than I did about how to make a decent fighter/interceptor.

BTW, do you see the humor in using an Iranian website to find information about corruption in the Israeli government? They're going to say it if it is true or not.

Hehe, the person who said it claimed to be an Israeli though. His username on the Iran Defence Forums is isr_agent I think.

Lmao, this site is hilarious.

Are these guys actually Iranians?

These guys post crazy claims and back it up with nothing.

The anti-Israeli post are hilarious.

There is a member named "Aryan Blood"

Many claims of Iran deploying its own planes. I think i even saw something about an F-22 on a secret mission being shot down.

American pilots are the worse in the world.

Jews are bent on world domination

on and on

Originally Posted by Rabs

Lmao, this site is hilarious.

Are these guys actually Iranians?

These guys post crazy claims and back it up with nothing.

The anti-Israeli post are hilarious.

There is a member named "Aryan Blood"

Many claims of Iran deploying its own planes. I think i even saw something about an F-22 on a secret mission being shot down.

American pilots are the worse in the world.

Jews are bent on world domination

on and on

that forum is full of idiots (i.e Radical muslims, Communists and anti-American idiots)
And I got banned in that forum as well, because I always had a fight with the stupid persons there.

Nothing out of that sham forum is acceptable.

If you want a really technical forum on Iranian Aviation check http://acig.org/forum

There you can find pure technical info