International Military Forums - Political Discussions http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/ Forum for discussing politically related subjects. All politically related discussions should go in here, regardless if their military related or not. Please read the rules inside before posting! en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:09:30 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/images/imf/misc/rss.jpg International Military Forums - Political Discussions http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/ THE REAL U.S. GOVERMENT YOU WAR FOR?? http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/real-u-s-goverment-war-t79791.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:10:59 GMT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL US GOVERMENT YOU FIGHT FOR YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS LINK. THESE ARE THE REAL RULERS OF THE U.S. AS THEY CONTROL THE MONEY. OCCULT SYMBOLS AND MORE? http://www.illuminati-news.com/20-dollar-bill.htm:firedevi: IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL US GOVERMENT YOU FIGHT FOR YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS LINK. THESE ARE THE REAL RULERS OF THE U.S. AS THEY CONTROL THE MONEY. OCCULT SYMBOLS AND MORE?

http://www.illuminati-news.com/20-dollar-bill.htm:firedevi: ]]> Political Discussions babsvet http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/real-u-s-goverment-war-t79791.html Iraq VP vetoes new election law http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/iraq-vp-vetoes-new-election-t79756.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:13:23 GMT back to the beginning now... again... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8365801.stm back to the beginning now... again...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8365801.stm ]]> Political Discussions Team Infidel http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/iraq-vp-vetoes-new-election-t79756.html Communists worried http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/communists-worried-t79741.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:17:02 GMT Communists Chinese worry about the cost of Obama's socialised medical "reforms". ]]> Political Discussions George http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/communists-worried-t79741.html Drug legalization http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/drug-legalization-t79717.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:36:26 GMT I just wont to start a discussion, now i think all drugs should be legal for the following reasons 1. them being illegal causes immense violence, ex gangs, way more than the drugs would create. 2. its a victimless crime, no one but the person using is harmed, except while driving, drunk driving laws still apply 3. would save billions of dollars in the police funding and prisons, and we could tax the s@!$ out of them, maybe help our debt, not likely the government will find some way of wasting it. :confused: i do not use any drugs, i dont smoke or drink, i just see the violence and my friends getting huge fines, and being put in juv I just wont to start a discussion, now i think all drugs should be legal for the following reasons
1. them being illegal causes immense violence, ex gangs, way more than the drugs would create.
2. its a victimless crime, no one but the person using is harmed, except while driving, drunk driving laws still apply
3. would save billions of dollars in the police funding and prisons, and we could tax the s@!$ out of them, maybe help our debt, not likely the government will find some way of wasting it. :confused:
i do not use any drugs, i dont smoke or drink, i just see the violence and my friends getting huge fines, and being put in juv ]]> Political Discussions Bacara http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/drug-legalization-t79717.html <![CDATA[Greenland ice loss 'accelerating']]> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/greenland-ice-loss-accelerating-t79631.html Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:39 GMT Finally a report I like because it has skipped the "Is global warming man made or not" argument and just pointed out the situation as it is.
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Greenland ice loss 'accelerating'
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website
The Greenland ice sheet is losing its mass faster than in previous years and making an increasing contribution to sea level rise, a study has confirmed.
Published in the journal Science, it has also given scientists a clearer view of why the sheet is shrinking.
The team used weather data, satellite readings and models of ice sheet behaviour to analyse the annual loss of 273 thousand million tonnes of ice.
Melting of the entire sheet would raise sea levels globally by about 7m (20ft).
For the period 2000-2008, melting Greenland ice raised sea levels by an average of about 0.46mm per year.

“ If you multiply these numbers up it puts us well beyond the IPCC estimates for 2100 ”
Professor Roger Barry
Since 2006, that has increased to 0.75mm per year.
"Since 2000, there's clearly been an accelerating loss of mass [from the ice sheet]," said lead researcher Michiel van den Broeke from Utrecht University in the Netherlands.
"But we've had three very warm summers, and that's enhanced the melt considerably.
"If this is going to continue, I cannot tell - but we do of course expect the climate to become warmer in the future."
In total, sea levels are rising by about 3mm per year, principally because seawater is expanding as it warms.
Sea change
Changes to the Greenland sheet and its much larger counterpart in Antarctica are subjects commanding a lot of interest within the scientific community because of the potential they have to raise sea levels to an extent that would flood many of the world's major cities.

The 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report projected a sea level rise of 28-43cm during this century.
But it acknowledged this was almost certainly an underestimate because understanding of how ice behaves was not good enough to make reliable projections.
By combining different sources of data in the way it has, and by quantifying the causes of mass loss, the new study has taken a big step forwards, according to Roger Barry, director of the World Data Center for Glaciology at the University of Colorado in Boulder, US.
"I think it's a very significant paper; the results in it are certainly very significant and new," he said.
"It does show that the [ice loss] trend has accelerated, and the reported contribution to sea level rise also shows a significant acceleration - so if you multiply these numbers up it puts us well beyond the IPCC estimates for 2100."
Professor Barry was an editor on the section of the IPCC report dealing with the polar regions.
On reflection
An ice sheet can lose mass because of increased melting on the surface, because glaciers flow more quickly into the ocean, or because there is less precipitation in the winter so less bulk is added inland.
The new research shows that in Greenland, about half the loss comes from faster flow to the oceans, and the other half from changes on the ice sheet itself - principally surface melting.

Another analysis of satellite data, published in September, showed that of 111 fast-moving Greenland glaciers studied, 81 were thinning at twice the rate of the slow-moving ice beside them.
This indicates that the glaciers are accelerating and taking more ice into the surrounding sea.
Melting on the ice sheet's surface acts as a feedback mechanism, Dr van den Broeke explained, because the liquid water absorbs more and reflects less of the incoming solar radiation - resulting in a heating of the ice.
"Over the last 10 years, it's quite simple; warming over Greenland has caused the melting to increase, and that's set off this albedo feedback process," he told BBC News.
"Quite likely the oceans have also warmed, and it's likely that explains the [acceleration of] outlet glaciers because they're warmed from below."
Data provided over just the last few years by the Grace satellite mission - used in this study - is giving researchers a closer view of regional variations across the territory.
Grace's twin satellites map gravity at the Earth's surface in unprecedented detail; and it is now possible to tease out from the data that most of the mass is being lost in the southeast, southwest and northwest at low elevations where the air will generally be warmer than at high altitudes.
Professor Barry cautioned that the Grace mission, which has produced valuable data about Antarctica as well as Greenland, has only a further two years to run, and that no replacement is currently scheduled.
Richard.Black-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...re/8357537.stm

Published: 2009/11/12 20:29:27 GMT ]]> Political Discussions MontyB http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/greenland-ice-loss-accelerating-t79631.html Healthcare Bill vs. US Senate http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/healthcare-bill-vs-us-senate-t79617.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:39:59 GMT Well, let's see how this goes. Personally, I'm not entirely sure that this plan does enough, but to quote my local congressman, doing nothing is not an option.

And before you say that the government can't run anything correctly, let's not forget America's entirely tax-funded government-run system that is the best in the world. :salute:

Thoughts? ]]> Political Discussions The Other Guy http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/healthcare-bill-vs-us-senate-t79617.html Death Penalty: John Allen Mohammad schedualed to die tonight. http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/death-penalty-john-allen-mohammad-t79539.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:53:43 GMT I am sure we all remember the famous beltway sniper a few years back. A Uncle-Nephew duo that killed 10 and wounded another 3.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11...ion/index.html

Now I am not normally a big fan of the death penalty except in very special circumstances where the person committed acts of unspeakable evil. By this, I am not talking about the shooting of a convenience clerk during a botched robbery, I am talking about crimes whether the suspect took pleasure, profited directly from, or simply showed no sympathy, or mercy in the deaths of their victims. The pure sociopaths and cowards like Ted Bundy.

This is one of the circumstances.

This person (Ill use the term loosely) killed people of different colors, backgrounds, races, and sexes all for revenge against those he felt had wronged him -namely the Army, his former employer, and his ex-wife (who he had also planned to kill). To this day he refuses to acknowledge guilt, or show any remorse and blames a racist PD and prosecutor for "framing" him. (Incidentally the Cop who arrested him is Black, so there goes that theory).

This animal is someone who should have been aborted prior to birth and who has simply overstayed his welcome on planet earth.

Adios Mother F****.

(Sorry for strong language.) ]]> Political Discussions mmarsh http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/death-penalty-john-allen-mohammad-t79539.html <![CDATA[An even that just makes you go "hmmm...."]]> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/even-just-makes-go-hmmm-t79453.html Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:24:46 GMT http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A60E120091107 Iran arrests over 100 people during Anti-American rally. I thought my brain was going to explode. WHAT? http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...5A60E120091107

Iran arrests over 100 people during Anti-American rally.
I thought my brain was going to explode.
WHAT? ]]> Political Discussions the_13th_redneck http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/even-just-makes-go-hmmm-t79453.html <![CDATA[How's Obama Doing?]]> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/hows-obama-doing-t79394.html Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:17:53 GMT Just curious to see how the forum members feel the Obama administration is doing so far.

I found some interesting info here. I'd like to read other opinions or see how many agree with this list or the assessment in general.

Quote:
The Obama administration’s track record is nearly perfect.

War on Terror- Can’t come up with a strategy for Afghanistan. That is unless you like Biden’s or Kerry’s, but certainly not General McChrystal

War on Middle-East peace process – Iran happy, Israel thrown under the bus.

War on Poverty – Food stamps and welfare on the rise.

War on the Economy – Look at California and Michigan as examples;
Unemployment Up, foreclosures up, dollar weakening.

War on the Banks – See War on the Economy.

War on the Deficit – $1.4+ billion in the hole [ this year].

War on Wall Street - Also See War on the Economy.

War on Saving Detroit – Cash for clunkers. Winners were the Import companies.

War to bring the Olympics to Chicago – Out in the first round. Even with Oprah’s help.

War on Iranian Nuclear program – They are on double secret probation.

War on Russian expansion – Good bye Eastern European missile defense.

War on Energy Independence – T. Boone Pickens invests and then pulls out.

War on Global Warming – Simply cannot stop campaigning around the planet. Also see Copenhagen.

War on Republicans – Town-halls, Tea Parties and upcoming elections.

War on Conservatism – Palin’s book sales, through the ceiling and it isn’t even out yet.

War on Health care – Has the House and the Senate still can’t get the damn thing passed. [which is good].

And finally, War on Fox News – Rating up 8% in last two weeks.

If nothing else, President Obama is consistent.
]]> Political Discussions Mighty Mouse http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/hows-obama-doing-t79394.html Where to Palestine? http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/where-palestine-t79329.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:22:56 GMT Its the first time for me to ask this question to western people,and i love to hear your answers. Do Palastine have the right to build its own state and army like Israel? If,yes tell me why. If,no tell me why. My opinion,Yes we have the right to have a state and strong army. Why i choose yes:The people of Palastine lived here for thousands years even before Israel exist(no offence,its history)Alot of ages and Empires came throught this land.The heart of all religions Jerusalem or El-Quodes. Thank you. Its the first time for me to ask this question to western people,and i love to hear your answers.
Do Palastine have the right to build its own state and army like Israel?
If,yes tell me why.
If,no tell me why.
My opinion,Yes we have the right to have a state and strong army.
Why i choose yes:The people of Palastine lived here for thousands years even before Israel exist(no offence,its history)Alot of ages and Empires came throught this land.The heart of all religions Jerusalem or El-Quodes.
Thank you. ]]> Political Discussions Nasir56 http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/where-palestine-t79329.html The Communists are invading! http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/communists-invading-t79319.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:51:18 GMT Well for those with a Joe McCarthy mentality. To well balanced people this should sound like good common sense, but I'm not holding my breath!

An article which should be read but will probably not be

An extract:

Quote:

You’ve heard the sermon preached by its most fanatic true believers:

There is no public interest—only an aggregation of private interests, which are best served when we each pursue our individual greed in a marketplace unfettered by rules and other forms of government interference. Public assets must be privatized to increase their productivity and efficiency by selling them to the highest bidder. The faster we consume, the faster the economy grows and the wealthier we become as a rising tide lifts all boats.
Inequality is essential to social order and prosperity. It provides us with wealthy investors able to bear the risks of investing in the creation of jobs and a working class motivated by economic insecurity to work hard at those jobs at a globally competitive wage. There is no alternative. If a few get rich, instead of condemning them out of envy—which is a mortal sin—celebrate their good fortune, because as the rich get richer, wealth trickles down and we all get richer. In America, anyone can succeed who applies himself. Failure is a sign of a flawed character.

Is this story familiar? It is no mystery why this economic theology leads to ruthless competition, obscene accumulation, and reckless consumption that destroys the environment and tears apart the social fabric. It embodies the moral philosophy of the sociopath.
It is now time to acknowledge the lessons of this disastrous experiment. Markets do have an essential role in a healthy economy, but market extremism does not. It turns out that markets do need rules, there is an essential role for government, we all have more when resources are shared, and Jesus and the other great religious teachers were right. We are members of a community and we all do better when we care for one another and act with mindful consideration of the needs of others.
http://energybulletin.net/node/50531 ]]> Political Discussions perseus http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/communists-invading-t79319.html GDP Is Increasing Again http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/gdp-increasing-again-t79243.html Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:01:13 GMT http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/29/gdp-economy-growth-business-washington-gdp.html Good news out of Washington. http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/29/gdp...ngton-gdp.html

Good news out of Washington. ]]> Political Discussions The Other Guy http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/gdp-increasing-again-t79243.html military paid too much? YHGTBKM... http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/military-paid-too-much-yhgtbkm-t79223.html Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:11:03 GMT This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Times about MILITARY PAY, it should be printed in all newspapers across America

Ms. Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year citing that she stated 13% wage increase was more than they deserve.

A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this.


"Ms Williams:
I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes per month. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40, after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer network I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs For Network Technicians in the Washington , D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum........... I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces.
Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN; I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready- to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your opened piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.

And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?

A1C Michael Bragg Hill AFB AFNCC
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I recall my days in the USAF in 1973-74 as being marginally prosperous compared to making $1.25 per hour working at a fairgrounds before I enlisted at age 17. However, when I got out of the USAF, I made almost as much per month going to college and working part-time as my monthly income in the service. The cost of paying service members is negligible compared to the cost of actually using them in the field. I recall recently seeing an article regarding the war in Afghanistan which stated that the average cost per deployed soldier was one million per US and 25,000 per Afghan troop...

I suggest that rather than focusing on the people who are risking their lives for a pittance, the Congress critter should look into cost overruns and corruption at defense contractors. For example, in 1983 I resigned from Boeing BMAC in Huntsville AL and paid about $1800 in relocation expense reimbursement rather than cheat the government according to orders from my supervisor Louis Weed. I was working on the Electronic Systems Test Set (navy) upgrade of disk utilities, when I was ordered by Weed to sign a labor time sheet which reported twice as many hours expended by the workers as were actually worked. He then reprimanded me for insubordination, upon which I resigned. I seriously doubt that Weed's behavior was the exception rather than the rule.

My family has a history of service in the military. My dad served in WWII, my brother and I both joined, my brother in law was a career navy man, and my nephew served his time too. You do not serve for the money, but you SHOULD be able to come out of a term of service in better financial condition than when you entered. This seems to be not the case any more, particularly for reservists called to active duty.

Any comments?
Edit:
http://www.navycs.com/2010-military-...icer-pay-chart
Military pay is LOUSY! I would have to be a Brigadier General or greater to make as much per year as I was earning at my last job in 1990...

Lonnie Courtney Clay ]]> Political Discussions claylc http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/military-paid-too-much-yhgtbkm-t79223.html <![CDATA[It's going to be interesting in the coming decades...]]> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/its-going-interesting-coming-decades-t79161.html Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:31 GMT In South America. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_uruguay_elections I think this Communism stuff is going to take a very long time to shake off. In South America.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/...guay_elections

I think this Communism stuff is going to take a very long time to shake off. ]]> Political Discussions the_13th_redneck http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/its-going-interesting-coming-decades-t79161.html <![CDATA[British National Party 'fascist' leader appears on popular TV debate]]> http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/british-national-party-fascist-leader-t79108.html Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:29:51 GMT
Quote:
British National Party leader Nick Griffin has used his Question Time appearance to criticise Islam and defend a past head of the Ku Klux Klan.
He also told a largely hostile audience that Winston Churchill would be a BNP supporter if he were alive, and said he would find two men kissing "creepy".

Anti-fascist protestors scuffled with police outside BBC TV Centre in west London before the show was filmed.

Minister Peter Hain said the BBC had legitimised the BNP's "racist poison".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321683.stm

It seems to me that his exposure and grilling by everyone (including a hostile chairperson) on here will only enhance his reputation. I don't think these audiences are a typical cross section of British society. Despite contradicting and humiliating himself several times, he will attract enough support from the section of society he needs.

His party has been criticised for using WW2 images such as Spitfires and Churchill in their publicity. However when criticised for this by a senior government politician (you may know Jack Straw as the foreign secretary during the Iraq war) Griffin pointed out that during WW2, Straws Father was sent to prison for refusing to fight, whilst his was in the Battle of Britain. I guess this sort of cheap diversion appeals to his supporters, as does his policies such as, forced expatriation, holocaust denial, and support for the Klan.

An own goal by the BBC, but did they have any choice? he has enough democratic support to justify an appearance.

Incidentally I don't think the views of Winston Churchill at times were very much different to Griffin's. However Churchill had the political acumen to 'adapt' to a mainstream party in where he would stand a better chance of getting elected! ]]> Political Discussions perseus http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/british-national-party-fascist-leader-t79108.html