Eventuall EU will lift the embargo, just give some time. China is still capable of producing its own weapons etc. Maybe France and Germany can say screw the EU ahahah j/k.

If they did, it would make everyone's work much easier.

Would China buy Leopard II's if they are for sale? Helluva tank.

Originally Posted by Kane

As you have said "attacked non-violent protestors, order by the government?"

Oh please, watch the video archives again. They started non-violently but turned into a unbelievably violent mob in the end. These protestors were from the generation who constantly recited Mao's Red Book. Remember what was Mao Zhe Dong's Red Book emphasis was? Violent rebellion.

It probably should have its own thread. If you feel that China has been unfairly accused of targetting its own citizens unnecessarily -- great, let see if we can dig up the truth of the matter. But in another thread so we don't clutter this one with it all. If you can find a link to the video footage somebody mentioned, etc.

Originally Posted by Flak88

64, my god, it was a frickin riot, not a masscre...

Ok, lemme put it this way, you are a PLA soldier, you have a gun, ppl are throwing rocks at you, molotovs even, and are ripping your clothes off while trying to grab your helmet, kicking you, punching you, making a bloody mess out of you... what would u do??? DIE?????

are you kidding man? The soliders have killed a lot of highly educated guys who had no weapon at all. Don't simply listen to what the Chinese government says.

Freedom of speech is a nice and good thing, uh? 8)
I'm ashamed Europe is going to lift the embargo on China.

The emerging power has apporved that the chinese goverment has done the right thing for the 64 incident. If the communist party collapsed at that time, the consequences would be disastrous and China likely fell apart and Taiwan would definitely declared independence. China has 6000 year old civilization and its own political system, I seriously doubt that western style of democary/system would suit China. Russia would be a perfect example of this. Poor Russians. India is the world largest demoratic country yet a poor nation.

Originally Posted by dragon

The emerging power has apporved that the chinese goverment has done the right thing for the 64 incident. If the communist party collapsed at that time, the consequences would be disastrous and China likely fell apart and Taiwan would definitely declared independence. China has 6000 year old civilization and its own political system, I seriously doubt that western style of democary/system would suit China. Russia would be a perfect example of this. Poor Russians. India is the world largest demoratic country yet a poor nation.

What do you mean? Hey mate every man on this planet has a right to democracy. Anything else is racism.

What do you mean?

Hey mate every man on this planet has a right to democracy. Anything else is racism.

Every country has the freedom to choose its own mode of democracy. You are just too simple and naive. You've got be aware that this planet is versatile and not just one definition of democracy.

You are not totally wrong, but you know, democracy is that type of government where fair elections are taken on a shared term, where people are allowed the freedom of speech, religion, fair trial in a court, freedom of thought, press, expression, where the media themselves are free, where majority rules, where human rights are not violated, private property is granted.

There is no negotiable difference on this, mate.

Democracy may be adapted and versatile, but adaptibility and versatility of the term should not become an alibi for covert dictatorship.

China does not fulfill any of the above stated criteria.