Originally Posted by errol

The US will go eventually, probably with its tail between its legs.

It won't be the military with it's tail between it's legs. If anyone goes out like that it will be the politicians who buggered it up in the first place.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

It won't be the military with it's tail between it's legs. If anyone goes out like that it will be the politicians who buggered it up in the first place.

You would think, but look what happened in Vietnam.

That's exactly what he was saying, at least according to my interpretation.

Originally Posted by AikiRooster

That's exactly what he was saying, at least according to my interpretation.

A lot of people think Vietnam was a military failure. They're morons, but they're uninformed and they go with what they've heard from similarly uninformed persons. I believe that ending the war in Vietnam was the highlight of the Nixon Administration.

But the topic at hand is the current war. And I like the idea of the end of the war being during the next administration as compared to one four elections down the road.

I like the idea of the war being over when it's over and we won, not being over because it's politically correct.

Here's the deal. We have to go at some point. As long as we are on the ground Iraq is a magnet for every two bit former goat herder Jihadist with a freakin RPG.

The question now should be when do the Iraqi's take over.

True enough......the only thing that's ever really bothered me about this war is that I feel it should have been Iran, at least before Iraq if Iraq was still a target. I feel/felt like the case against Iran has been way stronger, since 79.

Or try to get the two to blow each other up as it was in the '80s.

Originally Posted by 03USMC

Here's the deal. We have to go at some point. As long as we are on the ground Iraq is a magnet for every two bit former goat herder Jihadist with a freakin RPG.

The question now should be when do the Iraqi's take over.

I'm amazed, somebody actually agrees with me. I have been saying exactly this for the past 3 years.

This is what most Americans don't understand. No matter how noble the cause is (or they think it is) people in other countries don't take kindly to uninvited armies on their Lilly pad, or US bombs that crash through their houses. It really pisses them off. People will always defend their turf NO MATTER what the reason whether its to elimination infidels, heathens, Facists, Communists, Criminals, Warlords, or Terrorists.

Alot of the "Terrorists" in Iraq are not Islamic Extremists. Many of which are Iraqi or Arab nationalists that are fighting to remove an invader. The real jihadists of course feed on this nationalist sentiment to fuel their own causes.

Too bad they didn't try so hard when it came to Saddam and other secular dictators who were oppressing many groups in those countries pretty badly.
I think it goes to show just how soft we are. No body f*cks with you if the very next day the authorities will round up your relatives and have them shot. But that's just now how we do things.