Originally Posted by FutureDevilDog

Sure you have more credibility than me, maybe, but that doesnt mean I have zero.

Thank you. Point made.

The fact of it is I have seen peoples careers ruined because of drug use in the Army, I have seen the families of those diggers destroyed.
I have seen the brother of a friend of mine end up in a mental institution after 12 years of marijuana use with paranoid delusions and multiple personality disorder.
I have had my cousin die of a heroin overdose after being a user like yourself. She was just trying it to see what it was like.

So I've seen my fair share of the damage it can do.

Originally Posted by AussieNick

A far better source than those who support drug use.

Exact opposet ends of the spectrum...I more creditable source would eb a nutral one...Seriously a goverment source is going to be extremely biased and filled with propaganda...

However I would agree that kids should not be encouraged to use such (or any substance) until they are older, more developed, and responsible... Much like drinking and what have you...

I'm also not advocating the abuse of any substance or anything for that matter, since gambling, computer, internet, television, and other adictions can be just as harmful to your body and life...

Here is some information on IAD or Internet Addiction Disorder
http://library.albany.edu/briggs/addiction.html

Originally Posted by Tweek

Nor will I. No offence; but some stoners actually complain about their habbits to strait-edges to make conversation; this is no lie. I've seen it done on many occasions. People like to feel accepted; and; I'm sorry to say; but a lot of people are chameleons so to speak; as in they change how they act towards certain people.

Yes I agree with you, chameleons seen on many occations at the rehab centre I worked but in the end they showed their true face and person - in a period of two to four years... Some people have to play roles to fit in, others don't.

There must be a bible quote saying;"leve and let live". Smoke it in the confines of your home; fine. Smoke it an cause troubles, accidents or damage to property; you pay the price!
If I'd like to smoke some pot and game a little and probably fall asleep on my couch, what is wrong with that? And if I cause harm well I'll have to pay.... simple as that!

'Nuff said (wow who'd ever guessed I'd be using 5.56's words???)

Originally Posted by AussieNick

Maybe I should use a scenario that the soldiers here can understand. I would not fight alongside you. If you use drugs, however much or little, you are no longer reliable as a soldier. End of story.

Back in the day Hitler used to pump his soldiers' viens full of methamphetamine to make them better/cheaper/longer lasting soldiers. With Methamphetamine; you don't eat which cuts the cost of eating; better because it can cause the adrenaline to jump tenfold; making a soldier a savage beast on the battlefield; and longer lasting because they don't need sleep. No matter how many Nazi haters are out there; you cannot disagree that their army was bloodthirsty and no less than amazing.

If someone is on the battlefield beside you shooting up some meth; you should praise him for being the savage fighter he is and fighting for the same cause as you; not shun him because he's a drug user.

Sadly; the same cannot be said for marijuana. This tends to make people lazy; and should not be used in the battlefield. Look what happened at nam. Either way; it depends on the scenario. Off the battlefield it is fine to use IMO.

Originally Posted by AussieNick

Thank you. Point made.

The fact of it is I have seen peoples careers ruined because of drug use in the Army, I have seen the families of those diggers destroyed.

This is because in our government(s) and military(ies); drugs are shunned. I'm sure many gays' lives were ruined too. If drugs weren't shunned; there wouldn't be a problem would it? Of course; not all drugs should be used on the battlefield; but in the privacy of the soldiers' homes; it should be fine.

it really depends on the user. i have a few friends who are basically burnouts, they sit around and do nothing all day but get high. i also have a few friends who smoke weed and have high paying proffesional jobs. the fact that it can lead to psychosis later in life is debateable. do your studies tell you of the subjects family history with regards to mental illness, or other factors that may increase the risk of it? weed is basically a harmless recreational drug if used responsibly. of course it can have negative effects if used in an irresponsible way(driving on it, etc), but many things can.

If someone is on the battlefield beside you shooting up some meth; you should praise him for being the savage fighter he is and fighting for the same cause as you; not shun him because he's a drug user.

You're obviously not a soldier are you. You're just a wit.


As for the government sources issue. I took information from the department of health information for health workers resource. I don't know about your country, but here the government tends to provide the CORRECT information to health workers... not propaganda.

This is because in our government(s) and military(ies); drugs are shunned. I'm sure many gays' lives were ruined too. If drugs weren't shunned; there wouldn't be a problem would it?

No I'm not talking about that wise guy. I'm talking about the impact drug use has on family.

So how about those Canadians in Afghanistan that where killed by a US pilot who was using government issued "go pills"....

You are very naive if you think a prescription drug being given to you buy a doctor or mandated by your government employer isn’t bad for you....In fact most prescription drugs are derivatives of illegal drugs....Go figure....

If you want proof how many painkillers are of the opiate base????

I’m not advocating the abuse or use of any substance whether it is legal or not I'm simply stating your arguments are baseless and if we where to use your logic then well basically all humans should sit in one place not breathe not do anything and listen to whatever big brother tells them to do...Like they dont have any alternative motives....

Im talking about the impact of goverment brainwashing, to much television watching, prolonged computer use, and the durnk driver that just killed a family.... Yet those are all legal things being abused... go ****in figure....

-edit
Here have some sources
US Pilots on go pills
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...03-speed01.htm
Google search for the above
Google Results

Opiate based painkillers (legal perscribed and used)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/opifaq2.htm

An interesting little flow chart thing I found
http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/addicttowar.htm

It is also funny when you do research on the military and drugs you will find that the goverment sites say the exact opposite of the non-goverment sites....Again go figure....

Finally Aussie Nick I'm not trying to dis you bilittle you or even change your view, I'm just saying their is far more to this all then you think and to be honest "weed", "herb", "pot", "grass" whatever you want to call it is the least of our problems...

Originally Posted by Donkey

So how about those Canadians in Afghanistan that where killed by a US pilot who was using government issued "go pills"....

"In accordance with set policy Major (Umbach) and Major (Schmidt) were ground tested and both were without side effects and were medically cleared for operational use of 'go pills.' "
The U.S. inquiry board agreed.
"The prescribing physician felt that both pilots tolerated the go/no-go pills and managed their crew rest well prior to the incident," the board stated. Poor judgment -- not drug impairment -- warranting manslaughter charges led to Schmidt dropping his bomb, the two boards concluded.

Originally Posted by Donkey

You are very naive if you think a prescription drug being given to you buy a doctor or mandated by your government employer isn’t bad for you....In fact most prescription drugs are derivatives of illegal drugs....Go figure....

Drugs given in a prescription are labeled as to the side effects they can cause. If you take them as prescribed, all is A-OK. Drugs given to pilots are not mandated, they are taken voluntarily and only after the medical officer has approved of the drug and dosage.

Originally Posted by Donkey

I’m not advocating the abuse or use of any substance whether it is legal or not I'm simply stating your arguments are baseless and if we where to use your logic then well basically all humans should sit in one place not breathe not do anything and listen to whatever big brother tells them to do...Like they dont have any alternative motives....

I'm not being a wisenik, but I don't understand your logic of this statement.

Originally Posted by Donkey

Im talking about the impact of goverment brainwashing, to much television watching, prolonged computer use, and the durnk driver that just killed a family.... Yet those are all legal things being abused... go ****in figure....

I'm not sure how Government brainwashing got into the conversation but I don't worry about Government disinformation as much as I do about so-called news sources (reporting). As far as legal drugs and merchandise being abused, such as cell phones, drunk driving, over the counter sleeping pills, etc, there are laws that govern those as well. If a drunk driver kills someone, there's a prison sentence. I recently underwent a sleep apnia test and once diagnosed, could not drive until I received treatment. That is a State law.

Originally Posted by Donkey

It is also funny when you do research on the military and drugs you will find that the goverment sites say the exact opposite of the non-goverment sites....Again go figure....

What kind of research are you referring to? As far as I could tell when I served, the Army Medical Corps were the same as I experienced as a civilian when I was discharged.

Originally Posted by Donkey

Finally Aussie Nick I'm not trying to dis you bilittle you or even change your view, I'm just saying their is far more to this all then you think and to be honest "weed", "herb", "pot", "grass" whatever you want to call it is the least of our problems...

It may not be the same problem as crack but whatever name you put on it, it's still dope and is still illegal. In most jobs that I've held, if you ever peed dirty, security would come and take you to the nearest exit. No prisoners were taken, even your Supervisor didn't know you were gone.

By working in the entertainment industry, I have seen it all. One of the things I have noticed, is when an artist starts to use marijuana, he looses his creative initiative. These artists are the most apathetic bunch I have ever seen. They will talk big but do nothing, except smoke more weed. Is it no wonder that people who smoke weed are considered "losers"?

If you want to retain that motivational drive and ambition, DO NOT use marijuana. It may not harm you physically, but it will alter you mentally.