About Dropping atomic bomb was a right choice Page 2
|June 25th, 2006||#11|
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|June 25th, 2006||#12|
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The philosophy of the Japanese people at the end of WWII was still essentially feudal with the Emperor being viewed as a God ... it was also a fact that the military was the basic driving force behind the stated plan to meet the enemy "at the shoreline' and fight to the death. The plan was to make the death toll for the allies so high that they would seek peace at any price. The aim of the allies was that they were NOT going to allow the Japanese to dictate peace terms ... complete capitulation was the ONLY end result America was willing to accept. WWIII wasn't going to be allowed to happen. Even though Japan had been on the receiving end of the fire bombing of Tokyo, the Japanese military leaders still believed that they could force peace on the allies on their terms.
There are those who would try to rewrite history ... after all ... history is written by the victors as was stated in another thread ... but ... reputable historians ALL believe that the decision to use the "new" weapon (atomic bomb), was the correct decision at the time ... nothing else could have broken the military hold on the political making decisions of the Japanese government at that time.
History viewed through the mist of time with the inherent ability of hindsight is sometimes 20/20 ... in this case that isn't possible. Even today (50+ years after the end of WWII), there are still remnants of the old-line Samurai living in Japan. Interviews with these "fossils" gives the uninformed an idea of just how deadly an amphibious attack of the mainland of Japan would have been. Even after 50+ years, their beliefs are still essentially the same as they were on VJ Day (peace treaty signed on this day).
THE DECISION TO DROP THE BOMB WAS THE CORRECT DECISION.
|June 29th, 2006||#13|
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Whether or not the Japanese peasants were as fanatical as the military-hardliners would have become irrelevant very quickly. The other characteristic of the peasantry of Japan was the propensity to take what the Emperor and the ruling class told them to do as Gospel-truth and right (so to speak.) Japan's poor were not accustommed to thinking for themselves in the larger political scheme of things. It wouldn't have taken all that much for the Japanese military to whip them up into a terrified frenzy against the "American demons." Even after Japan surrendered, her people still had a lot of racist based hatred of Americans throughout their culture.
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- General Robert E. Lee
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|June 29th, 2006||#14|
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The passage of time has somewhat moderated the hatred of the "White Devils" ... but ... there is still a rather large segment of Japanese society that still don't like "Ugly Americans". Some of these feelings come across in their dealings with American businesses which wish to ply their trades within the borders of Japan. Some Americans call these actions protectionism ... what it really amounts to though are the true feelings of dislike of Americans surfacing within the business field.
|June 29th, 2006||#15|
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I believe it was right for 2 reasons.
1. It prevented thousands of Allied casualties and the nearly certain destruction of mainland Japan.
2. It showed the world what nuclear weapons can do.... and although we have threatened each other with them since, nobody has got the moxy to use them.
Strategically it was correct as well, in the sense it targeted a critical vulnerability and therefore dislocated Japan's centre of gravity and brought around surrender.
|July 19th, 2006||#16|
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one of reasons that most of people in eastern asia still loves America is because American helped them liberate their countries and gave them justice by dropping atomic bomb to Japan.For most of people in east asian countries, the light of explosion from atomic bomb was most beautiful thing in wwii because in their eyes two atomic bombs were the equivalence of the freedom and end of suffering.
these two atomic bombs were the price which japanese had to pay for their aggression.
|July 19th, 2006||#17|
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That is a very beautifully written and powerful statement filmmaker.
"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." - John Steinbeck
|July 19th, 2006||#18|
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|January 13th, 2007||#19|
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was a gun/silo type Uranium Bomb.
While the second device dropped....
Was a Plutonium Bomb.
I just have a thing about talking about both Bombs as if they were the same type of device. I'll also point out that we would have gotten more of the Japanese with the second device dropped if the Bomb had not missed its target by well over a mile.
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|April 12th, 2007||#20|
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Dropping the Atomic Bomb info
The correspondents in this thread have all made some good points on the end of WW II and the use of the atomic bomb. The unfortunate circumstances seem to be that even though the Japanese had lost any hope of victory the majority of them (the Japanese) did not know the true situation and the minority who did know chose not to accept the inevitable.
The possibilities that were at hand to avoid the use of nuclear weapons seem to have been:
Keep in mind that by the summer of 1945, the US public was growing tired of the war. Life was beginning to return to normal in some sectors at home and public support was on the wane. The political effect of an invasion of the Japanese home islands would have been a disaster in the public eye. The war would probably have dragged on for at least another year to dramatically declining public support (sounds familiar).
The Japanese mindset (the government mindset) was still under the influence of the warlords. The Japanese centers of political power needed a serious wake up call. In addition to the above, the official US war effort was still going strong (despite the waning public interest). The generals had a new weapon and no doubt, a number of them wanted to use it.
The last comment was and is not a criticism of the US or Japan, it is simply a refection of my personal analysis. My thinking was influenced by an excellent work by Victor Davis Hanson, Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power, 2001 (see full citation below). Hanson does not specifically discuss the Atomic Bomb in his book, rather he reviews the western mind set on warfare versus the eastern mindset. The work compares and contrasts the western concept of total war (destroy the enemy’s ability to wage war) with the eastern concept of “drive out the enemy” and go home. I recommend the book as a good source work for understanding behavior in conflicts over the centuries.
Clearly (hopefully) the atomic or nuclear option is not on the table for any of today's world conflicts. Though I believe it was the single best option in 1945, I would not wish to see it brought out in today's world.
Hanson, V. (2001). Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of
Western Power. Doubleday, New York.
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