About Dowding's Costly Blunder in the Battle of France Page 11
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|November 25th, 2011||#102|
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A lot of things were not done that could have saved the carrier:
1) Send a battleships and two heavy cruisers to escort it and finish off the German ships in the neighborhood. That was the point of having expensive 16" guns on battleships, which prevented smaller cruisers from approaching them, Heavy cruisers had 14" or 12 " guns that could have sunk the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. That is in the traditional British aggressive tactics, you protect your assets at the same time that you finish off your enemy.
2) The Deck was crowded with Gladiators, Hurricanes, etc, that should have been jettisoned in order to allow the carrier's planes to fly reconnaissance, strafing, torpedo and bombing missions.
3) By flying adequate reconnaissance missions with float planes from the very many battleships, cruisers, etc, the navy should have known the location of all German ships so they could attack them or at least avoid them.
4) Britain had plenty of submarines at this time and they should have been deployed so as to protect British ships and sink as many German ships as possible and this was absolutely not done.
Last edited by samneanderthal; November 25th, 2011 at 22:00..
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|November 25th, 2011||#104|
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Sorry I meant battlecruiser, like Scharnhorst, for example Repulse or Renown had 15" guns and old armored cruisers had 12" to 14".
How do you catch by surprise a carrier of the huge navy of the country that invented radar? They detected the Germans ships, one of the two destroyers was sent to investigate, but the captain did not increase speed or send a wave of planes to attack.
Strangely, the Germans sank Glorious, despite the smoke screen layed by the destroyer, using Radar to guide their shells!
As I understand, the court marshal was for the flight commander refusing to carry out a ground attack in Norway, before sailing back to Scapa.
Actually, the captain was in a hurry to carry out the court marshal and asked permission to detach his carrier and proceed independently, AND IT WAS GRANTED! weird priorities.
Is it better to dump the Gladiators and Hurricanes and save the pilots and carrier to fight in France (8 June, 1940 not in Britain) or to lose everything (only 35 survivors and the British learnt about the sinking through German radio)?
Last edited by samneanderthal; November 25th, 2011 at 22:44..
|November 26th, 2011||#105|
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You are definitely a legend in your own mind.
Adversus solem ne loquitor
Last edited by BritinAfrica; November 26th, 2011 at 08:34..
|November 26th, 2011||#106|
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“Even when the experts all agree, they may well all be mistaken” Bertrand Russell.
"An expert can tell you exactly what is going to happen and after it doesn´t happen, can tell you exactly why it didn´t” Winston Churchill.
“Experts should be on tap but never on top” Winston Churchill.
“The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are sometimes right” Winston Churchill.
“ A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on”. Winston Churchill.
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Last edited by samneanderthal; November 26th, 2011 at 14:46..
|November 26th, 2011||#107|
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It is unfortunate that the British, French, Polish and Belgian pilots who had to face the LW on may 10, 1940 flying the worst planes cannot voice their opinion of Dowding's decision to keep the Spitfires, best Hurricanes and many pilots in Britain.
It is unfortunate that the hundreds of thousands of allied soldiers who had to face the densest and most prolonged ground support by the Luftwaffe cannot voice their opinion about the British planes in reserve while they were blown to smitherines.
It is unfortunate that the hundreds of thousands of Belgians, Frenchmen, Dutch, etc, who had to live under German rule for years cannot voice their opinion about Dowding's decision.
It is fortunate that an ignorant bastard like me can can voice his opinion:
Dowding was beaten in France and would have been beaten in Britain, had it not been by the few foreign pilots who didn't give up, despite Dowding's incompetence. He wasted his most valuable resource, the pilots in order to save his planes and could not have known that these foreign pilots would save him, but he knew that hundreds of French pilots would be out of the war if France capitulated. So he lost a few hundred British pilots, several hundred French pilots, a thousand mediocre planes and the huge French army and navy and a hundred of his precious modern fighters to evacuate from France in order to save a few hundred Hurricanes and even fewer Spitfires.
I don't care if a million experts and a billion people who were educated to admire Dowding, Churchill, Monty, etc, praise them, to me they were lousy leaders.
Last edited by samneanderthal; November 26th, 2011 at 15:20..
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|November 26th, 2011||#109|
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Like I said if you think that I am an endless source of nonsense, why waste your time?
I think that deep inside you know these leaders were idiots but that everything you learnt could not be false so you're trying to sort out this inconsistency. I have some Russian acquaintances who experience the same feeling when discussing Stalin.
|November 26th, 2011||#110|
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Isn't great to read from all those experts who wrote books long after the war had finished saying what every should have done and how they could have done every thing better. War is all a matter of luck and if you ride your luck and win then lucky you, but while the war was going on it is all a guessing game and that fickle finger of fate comes into play.
Now just how many of these authors had any thing to with war or wrote ant articles stating what our leaders were doing wrong during the war, and I will lay you odds the answer is none, but afterwards they know just about every thing that every one else did wrong.
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