The day everybody gets along with everybody in a society is the day Hell freezes over. (And not JUST Hell, Michigan)

You've said it yourself, 13, there's always going to be conflict amongst people... I guess what I'm trying to preach is tolerance... Not acceptance, but at LEAST tolerance. I could care less about what Spike thinks about homosexuality, but he doesn't have to go shouting from the rooftops that he hates "poofs," as he so adequately calls them. In fact, when you think about it, he's almost as bad as the flamers who proclaim their love for the same sex in a similar manner.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

There is a rather large gap between judgement and reasoning, Spike. REASONING separates us from the animals. Judgement separates the people who understand the human condition, and those who would rather die than have to "understand" any different sets of reasoning.

Pure semantics Rob, the greatest use of our reasoning is all about judgement, reasoning is in fact a judgemental process.

See... There you go, at it again, calling homosexuals lunatics... QUOTE "In essence we don't put the lunatics in charge of the asylum, that is what the homos are trying to achieve."

You are really grasping at straws here aren't you. You know and I know, as does everyone else on this forum who has English as a first language that what I quoted is a well known saying denoting stupid decisions. "To put the lunatics in charge of the asylum"

What other conclusion am I to draw from that statement, Spike? Honestly...

I couldn't logically expect you to draw any worthwhile conclusion so long as you are determined to deliberately misinterpret and misquote everything I say...... But, I know you are smarter than that. It's just an act of stupid desperation on your behalf because you know that what I am saying is right. In fact much of it was initially said by you......

Tolerance is a wonderful concept,... until it is misused as a back door method to promote the suppression of common sense and the freedoms of the majority, just so that selfish and vocal minorities can have their own way and see their flawed lifestyle as part of "mainstream" society.

Rob, "don't ask don't tell" is tolerance without necessarily going into acceptance.
Non tolerance whatsoever would be to hunt down homosexuals and have them jailed or whatnot. Tolerance is the allowing of a certain behavior as long as they don't make a fuss out of it. The word tolerance somewhat implies that although it isn't really normal behavior, it will be tolerated whereas acceptance pretty much says what it is, it is now considered normal.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Pure semantics Rob, the greatest use of our reasoning is all about judgement, reasoning is in fact a judgemental process.
You are really grasping at straws here aren't you. Yo know and I know, as does everyone else on this forum who has English as a first language the what I quoted is a well known saying denoting stupid decisions. "To put the lunatics in charge of the asylum"

Spike, from the other things I've seen you write on this forum, I, and probably most of the people on this forum, have no problem believing that you feel that homosexuals are somehow mental. It's like Rush Limbaugh "joking" about the Democratic party... He might be joking, but everyone knows he really feels that way about them from his talk show.

Originally Posted by senojekips

I couldn't logically expect you to draw any worthwhile conclusion so long as you are determined to deliberately misinterpret and misquote everything I say...... But, I know you are smarter than that. It's just an act of stupid desperation on your behalf because you know that what I am saying is right. In fact much of it was initially said by you......

You are so convinced of yourself.... It's almost hilarious how right you think you are... What you are saying is WRONG to me. That's why I oppose it. I'm not disagreeing with you for the sake of an argument over the internet. I'm disagreeing with you because I think you're mistaken. You say you know I'm smarter than that, then you know I'm smarter than to just disagree for the sake of it.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Tolerance is a wonderful concept,... until it is misused as a back door method to promote the suppression of common sense and the freedoms of the majority, just so that selfish and vocal minorities can have their own way and see their flawed lifestyle as part of "mainstream" society.

Blah, blah blah... LOL

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Spike, from the other things I've seen you write on this forum, I, and probably most of the people on this forum, have no problem believing that you feel that homosexuals are somehow mental. It's like Rush Limbaugh "joking" about the Democratic party... He might be joking, but everyone knows he really feels that way about them from his talk show.

I think your reasoning is somewhat off line, and it would be much nearer the truth if you stopped trying to imagine what I think or feel, and just read what I say, as you are usually nowhere near correct. Just stick to what I "actually" write and interpret it as you would for anyone else. Don't go trying to imagine what I think and then interpreting my remarks to suit your imaginings, it just doesn't work.

You are so convinced of yourself.... It's almost hilarious how right you think you are... What you are saying is WRONG to me. That's why I oppose it. I'm not disagreeing with you for the sake of an argument over the internet. I'm disagreeing with you because I think you're mistaken. You say you know I'm smarter than that, then you know I'm smarter than to just disagree for the sake of it.
Blah, blah blah... LOL

Anyone who feels I am mistaken is entitled to that opinion, just don't bother telling me, for some reason, I value my life time of experience as a far better teacher than anything you may be able to tell me about this subject.

Rob, have you stopped just for a moment to think how absolutely ridiculous your statement was, about me being "convinced of myself"? Of course I'm "convinced of myself" I would be a complete idiot to become involved in a debate where I was not sure of my reasoning. I would see it as being not hilarious, but absolutely ludicrous to be any other way.

Originally Posted by senojekips

I think your reasoning is somewhat off line, and it would be much nearer the truth if you stopped trying to imagine what I think or feel, and just read what I say, as you are usually nowhere near correct. Just stick to what I "actually" write and interpret it as you would for anyone else. Don't go trying to imagine what I think and then interpreting my remarks to suit your imaginings, it just doesn't work.

I'll take a leaf out of your book here... You're quite entitled to that opinion, but it just doesn't work... For some reason, I think I'm MUCH closer to the mark than you're willing to give me credit for.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Anyone who feels I am mistaken is entitled to that opinion, just don't bother telling me, for some reason, I value my life time of experience as a far better teacher than anything you may be able to tell me about this subject.

Funny how that's the exact same reasoning I'm using with you... But you still spout out your hatred of "poofs" any time the subject comes up.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Rob, have you stopped just for a moment to think how absolutely ridiculous your statement was, about me being "convinced of myself"? Of course I'm "convinced of myself" I would be a complete idiot to become involved in a debate where I was not sure of my reasoning. I would see it as being not hilarious, but absolutely ludicrous to be any other way.

It's just that you think you're so right about this that anyone who DOESN'T see it your way must be in denial. There's no possible way anyone could have a different opinion, they must just be denying the absolute truth that is senojekips' opinion. Get OVER yourself, Spike. Your opinion hold no more weight than mine, so stop trying to convince me that I'm somehow confusing myself and that I really AM against homosexuality.... Because I REALLY promise you, I'm not.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

I'll take a leaf out of your book here... You're quite entitled to that opinion, but it just doesn't work... For some reason, I think I'm MUCH closer to the mark than you're willing to give me credit for.

If only you were half as intuitive as you state....

Funny how that's the exact same reasoning I'm using with you... But you still spout out your hatred of "poofs" any time the subject comes up.

I defy you to find a single instance where I have actually "raised" this subject unbidden. I'm pretty sure you will find that I only ever answer the posts of others who make unproven and inaccurate statements concerning the subject. Once again in your attempt to escalate this matter I ask find where I have ever used the word "hatred" as you claim, towards homos. Like i said, your imagination is your own worst enemy.

It's just that you think you're so right about this that anyone who DOESN'T see it your way must be in denial. There's no possible way anyone could have a different opinion, they must just be denying the absolute truth that is senojekips' opinion. Get OVER yourself, Spike. Your opinion hold no more weight than mine, so stop trying to convince me that I'm somehow confusing myself and that I really AM against homosexuality.... Because I REALLY promise you, I'm not.

There you go again letting your imagination take over from reality. Clearly. the problem lies within your own head far more than with "what I am alleged to think". Believe it or not, I do have a far better idea of what i think, than you do.

Anyway having said that I feel it is enough to say I don't have to show anyone is in denial, it is enough that I (and you) have clearly shown your own logic to be faulty in regard to homos and their desire for a place in mainstream society. You have never countered my answers to your argument, but in an effort to keep the debate going, have merely resorted to a highly inaccurate diatribe on what you "think" I think. A poor attempt to shift the focus from the debate to me,... Another pointless argument you cannot win as even you realise that only I actually know what I think. Even worse when you are so far from the truth, generally because of you attempts to to save face by either putting words in my mouth or making me look bad by attributing imagined material to me that was never mine.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, friend. Whatever helps.

I sleep very well thanks Rob, don't worry about that, for it is not I who is trying to justify the unjustifiable.

It is not something that bears justifying. It just IS. Homosexuals shouldn't shunned because of their differences, they should be accepted because of their similarities (which VASTLY outweigh the differences).


But it doesn't matter... In the words of Dr. Seuss "Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind."