About Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy Page 16
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October 18th, 2009
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This whole thing is about furthering the "gay rights" agenda. It's just my opinion but, to believe that it's anything else is self delusional at best. Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~ Plato | |
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October 18th, 2009
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We have gay officer communities and openly gay Superiors who are political reps. One Captain went to the love parade with some of his gay friends with military trousers and pink shirts... Sooo in liberal democratic Germany everything seems fine. The communities even send mails over the military net providing info and help for 'coming out' in our military. If you say something against gays you'll be punished. I guess for gay Americans Germany is like heaven ^^. For reasons I already gave I won't comment this German system and won't present my personal opinion on this either. We had french Officer cadetts studying here and they critizised this system for gay officers in a rude way - end of story: they were sent back to France ^^. 2Lt, German Air Force Ground Combat Supporting Regiment/ 1st Infantry Battalion. |
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October 18th, 2009
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My point is that the don't ask don't tell policy is b******t and doesn't work, the gay men I know don't go around telling everybody their gay, its basically no body's buisness but theirs Last edited by wolfen; October 18th, 2009 at 14:22.. | |
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October 18th, 2009
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naw that'll get me an infraction. | |
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October 18th, 2009
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I certainly wouldn't go around telling people about it. | |
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October 18th, 2009
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I'm the bleeding heart liberal your mother warned you about.  | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Other Guy: "They could before Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Why is it suddenly an issue now?" I think you have a misunderstanding of what the Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy is. Homosexual behavior has always been forbidden in the U.S. military. Sodomy was a criminal act. This policy came about some 15 years ago as a compromise to avoid a fight over changing the law and allowing homosexuals to legally serve. The policy told Commanders not to aggressively investigate alleged homosexuals, unless they were just openly flaunting it. Still, around 1,200 a year were still discharged annually. Rescinding the policy wouldn't suddenly allow homosexuals to openly serve. That requires changing the law or the courts intervening. |
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October 18th, 2009
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The gays seem to not believe him. Why? Have you seen him go to Congress asking to change the law? To keep President Clinton from changing the policy as Commander in Chief, Congress passed a law which meant the CinC could not change the military policy. | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Chukpike: "Congress passed a law which meant the CinC could not change the military policy. " Well, not exactly. The law passed in 1993 did not prevent President Clinton from imposing the Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy. The President simply stated in that policy how the executive branch would enforce that law. It essentially in practise forbid actively pursuing suspected homosexuals, except under specific circumstances. So President Clinton did change military policy. The law however did prevent him from changing military regulations to allow homosexuals to serve openly. In 1996 a U.S. Court of Appeals upheld the law (Title 10, Sec 654) and said that the Clinton Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy wasn't consistent with upholding that law. Naturally, President Clinton ignored the Court's opinion. And it should be noted that President Bush didn't reverse the Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy and more strictly enforce the law either. |
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October 18th, 2009
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In Italy, nowadays, there's no problem about gay men/women in the military. I mean it is exactly what SKY 2979 tells about his friend "every one's cool with him, and just as long as he does his job, well no one cares...". Once I had a discussion with my daddy about this issue: he was an air traffic controller in the Air Force, I was a 2nd lieutenant in the artillery of the Army. He has had a traditional education and, also, he started in the air force in 1956... it was all other time. In those years gays were not accepted in the military forces (when somebody revealed themselves to be gay, then they were immediately discharged). I remember my father's words with a certain admiration (because I knew his cultural background): "I know one in my unit who is gay... but, who am I to interfere? He's a perfect gentleman, an exquisite person and a solid professional... these are the only things that count... what he does in his bedroom, it's his own matter, not mine". It has been a great lesson... one of the many I had from my old man. A great ciao everybody from Italy |
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