If gays are allowed to serve openly I'm sure the article will be amended once again to cover other types of penetration thereby expanding the UCMJ definition of rape,only makes sense.

What next? Preparing the ranks with god awful classes. What else?

I not fooling myself I know I have served along side gays,thats fine. Does not bother me. Thats their life choice but not mine. I do question the wisdom of making this an issue while we have two wars going. Really does the military need this to deal with right now, or is POTUS having his feet held to the fire of a campaign promise he ignored, and attempting to appease a special interest group.

"...and attempting to appease a special interest group."

The issue is one of universal equality, not appeasing a special interest group.

And granted it is not that popular even in the Democratic Party. They control the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. If they wanted to repeal the ban on homosexuals in the military it would be a done deal. Not a damn thing the Republicans could do to prevent it.

Conclusion, it's doesn't have sufficient broad base support in that party.

I do think it will happen. But most likely by a Supreme Court decision. That might be one year or twenty, but I think it is inevitable.

Originally Posted by Lavite

The issue is one of universal equality, not appeasing a special interest group.

I disagree...I think it's aaalllllll about appeasement.

And being in disagreement of the actual change itself, it would seem only logical that you would think it's only appeasement.

"I disagree...I think it's aaalllllll about appeasement."

If you want to classify equality as appeasement, then by all means do so.

Naturally, this country would be a better place if we hadn't "appeased" blacks and women by given them the right to vote and to serve in the military on an equal basis.

Yeah, we shouldn't go around "appeasing" people. Nothing good ever comes from it.

Well said, Lavite. Very well said... Unfortunately, those against the issue at hand will say that it's not the same.... SOME social equality is the same, but other stuff is different... Again...

The very fact that this discussion is taking place, and that the status quo is going to have to be changed just to accommodate a minority special needs group, is a good indication of the stupidity of ever allowing homos to serve openly in the forces.

It is without a doubt an act of appeasement to a special needs group, if there were no votes in it for the politicians, it wouldn't even be considered.

See above post...

http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/547907-post.html

Oh, if we'd had this discussion when I was a brownie bar, I'd have been passionately against the mere thought of allowing homosexuals to serve in the military.

But over time my age, education, and experience led me to a different conclusion. And many of my peers came to the same conclusion.

The main logic of the ban on homosexuals in the military is their supposed negative impact on "good order and discipline". A hefty chunk of the federal law is spent explaining why, as if they needed to justify it.

Besides Pixie's phobia about being lusted after in the shower by wanton sinful lesbians, it's just not the case.

Good discussion by the way.

Originally Posted by Lavite

Besides Pixie's phobia about being lusted after in the shower by wanton sinful lesbians, it's just not the case.

Even if you are a lesbian you are only speaking on your own behalf, I am at a loss as to how you arrived at this line of thought. Another lesbian told you?

No one but a homosexual would know the answer to that, and I don't think that they would necessarily be telling the truth about the matter if it they did lust after other members.